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Yesterday at 08:56 PM White grape juice for the Lord's Supper? by PerpetualLearner
This morning was my first Communion service at the Baptist church I currently attend. I knew most, if not all, Baptists used grape juice instead of wine, but I'd never heard of any church using white grape juice as was done today. I've looked online to see if I could find a reason for it, and so far the only thing I found was to keep someone from accidentally taking wine? I don't understand that. To be honest, I felt it more 'authentic' in a liturgical service with real red wine when I was visiting Anglican and Lutheran services. I find only "red wine" in the Scriptures and it seems natural to represent blood. Anyone else encountered white grape juice or wine for the Lord's Supper, or know the reason for it?

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Yesterday at 01:08 PM Martin Luther the Calvinist by PerpetualLearner
The Title is a bit tongue in cheek, but I had encountered something Luther had written on the extent of the atonement and when placed next to his writing of the sovereignty of God in salvation, it sounds quite Calvinistic.

"And it is this very state of the truth, that of necessity proves "Free-will" to be nothing at all; seeing that, the love and hatred of God towards men is immutable and eternal; existing, not only before there was any merit or work of "Free-will," but before the worlds were made; and that, all things take place in us from necessity, accordingly as He loved or loved not from all eternity. So that, not the love of God only, but even the manner of His love imposes on us necessity. Here then it may be seen, how much its invented ways of escape profit the Diatribe; for the more it attempts to get away from the truth, the more it runs upon it; with so little success does it fight against it!" Section 101 of The Bondage of the Will

"God will have all men to be saved” (1 Timothy 2:4), and he gave his Son for us men, and he created man for the sake of eternal life. And likewise: Everything is there for man’s sake and he is there for God’s sake in order that he may enjoy him, etc. But this objection [to God’s sovereignty in salvation] and others like it can just as easily be refuted as the first one: because all these sayings must be understood only with respect to the elect [emphasis in original], as the apostle says in 2 Timothy 2:10, “All for the elect.” Christ did not die for absolutely all, for he says: “This is my blood which is shed for you” (Luke 22:20) and “for many” (Mark 14:24)- he did not say: for all- “to the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)). [Martin Luther, Lectures on Romans, translated and edited by Wilhelm Pauck (Philadelphia: The Westminster Press, 1961), 252.]

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Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:42 PM A new translation - CSB by John_C
What is optimal equilvalence? I know the NIV used dynamic equivalence. So the question is what is the difference between the two?

Here is an extract from the opening paragraph on the website.


The CSB was translated using a methodology called Optimal Equivalence, which balances contemporary English readability with linguistic precision to the original languages. In the many places throughout Scripture where a word-for-word rendering is clearly understandable, a literal translation is used. When a word-for-word rendering might obscure the meaning for a modern audience, a more dynamic translation is used.

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Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:57 AM Jealousy by chestnutmare
Let it be remembered then, that jealousy, like anger, is not evil in itself, or it could never be ascribed to God; His jealousy is ever a pure and holy flame. The passion of jealousy possesses an intense force, it fires the whole nature, its coals are juniper, which have a most vehement flame; it resides in the lowest depths of the heart, and takes so firm a hold that it remains most deeply rooted until the exciting cause is removed; it wells up from the inmost recesses of the nature, and like a torrent irresistibly sweeps all before it; it stops at nothing, for it is cruel as the grave (Cant. 8:6), it provokes wrath to the utmost, for it is the rage of a man, therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance (Proverbs 6:34), and it overthrows everything in the pursuit of its enemy, for “wrath is cruel, and anger is outrageous; but who is able to stand before jealousy?” For all these reasons jealousy is selected as some faint picture of that tender regard which God has for His own Deity, honor, and supremacy, and the holy indignation which He feels towards those who violate His laws, offend His majesty, or impeach His character.
~ Charles Spurgeon.

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Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:56 AM I the Lord thy God am a jealous God. by chestnutmare
I the Lord thy God am a jealous God.

Let us give God no just cause to be jealous. A good wife will be so discreet and chaste, as to give her husband no just occasion of jealousy. Let us avoid all sin, especially this of idolatry, or image-worship. It is heinous after we have entered into a marriage covenant with God, to prostitute ourselves to an image. Idolatry is spiritual adultery, and God is a jealous God, he will avenge it. Image-worship makes God abhor a people. 'They moved him to jealousy with their graven images. When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel.' Psa 78: 58, 59. 'Jealousy is the rage of a man.' Prov 6: 34. Image-worship enrages God; it makes God divorce a people. 'Plead with your mother, plead; for she is not my wife.' Hos 2: 2.

'Jealousy is cruel as the grave.' - Song of Solomon 8: 6.

As the grave devours men's bodies, so God will devour image-worshippers.

~ Thomas Watson.

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