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by Tom. Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:47 PM
Very Interesting Eschatological Discussion
by Tom. Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:50 PM
Agree or Disagree and Why?
by Tom. Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:09 PM
Ever heard of Michael Heiser
by Tom. Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:02 PM
ADHD
by Tom. Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:47 AM
Quoting Scripture a Comfort?
by Tom. Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:53 PM
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18 hours ago
Ha ha, that is funny!
By the way, I have found that there is some truth to this. Although no other site talks about it in the same manner the link my friend said.

Tom
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Theology Discussion Forum
Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:50 AM

I found a 2009 discussion between a Postmillennial (Doug Wilson), a Historic Premillenialism (Jim Hamilton) and Amillennialism (Sam Storms); with John Piper as the moderator.
https://youtu.be/W75bzrvJtLs
The discussion is over 2 hours long. So, I would actually like to forward it until about ½ way. Sam Storm says something that actually made things heat up.
1:15:22 Storms “if Rev 20 teaches a pre-millennial view as you (Hamilton) articulated, I’d have to abandon biblical inerrancy”...
As I think about Revelation chapter 20, it seems that in most discussions on eschatology press on. Especially Historical Premils against Amils.
I was wondering if I could get a few opinions of this spirited discussion between Hamilton and Storms.
By the way, if it is possible please try and forget who these people are. Rather, think about how they represent their various positions. Even though I consider myself Amil; I have a few problems with all four people in certain areas.
Tom
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:09 AM
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It has been discussed and debated before. There are lots of good people on both sides, i.e., if one is kind enough to include me in one of the groups.
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Lol, the thread I was looking at came from way back in 2005. That was a pretty spirited debate in which you and Joe (I miss him) made a good case for your position.
For the most part however, the other side didn't actually deal with your argument, but kept hammering with their argument.

By the way, the quote I started this thread with; came from somebody I usually agree with.
Tom
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Theology Discussion Forum
Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:02 AM
Susan
As I was reading the information you had concerning "cosmic child abuse". Perhaps it is no coincidence but Emergent Church leader Brian MacLaren said that if the traditional understanding of the cross is correct, then God is guilty of cosmic child abuse.
I wonder if there is a connection between Chalk and MacLaren?

Tom
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:47 AM
Jump to new posts ADHD [by Tom]
Today during worship service, I sat behind a family whose teenage son (nearly 6’ tall) was disruptive. I could tell his parents were agitated and felt helpless; they even tried to discipline him. During the sermon, their son said loud enough for many to hear “this is so boring!”
After the service, I talked to his dad and told him I was praying for him and his family. He told me his son has ADHD and though it doesn’t excuse him, his mind doesn’t work normal. His dad told me that he appreciates my prayers.
I am assuming his parents are actively seeking solutions for their son and I do not want to make them feel unwelcome in Church. However, his actions made it very hard to concentrate on the sermon.
Does anyone reading this have any knowledge of ADHD and how one might help a family like this?
I am going to be looking to see if there is anything written by Dr. Jay Adams on the subject. But, I thought it might help to make this enquiry on The-Highway.
Thanks
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Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:53 AM
I believe the couple who lost the child were professing Christians.
I kept my mouth shut during that conversation, because to do so, would be going against the group.
I am not saying that compassion and prayer should not be offered as well. However, it seems to me anybody with a high view of Scripture, would appreciate Scripture in times of morning and or troubled times.
In fact, it sure was to me is my health crisis.

Tom
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Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:50 AM
Originally Posted by Pilgrim
Originally Posted by Johan
What about the "Pilgrimites"? smile


there is a remnant of Pilgrims who do even now exist as described in Scripture,

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Hebrews 11:13-16 (ASV) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things make it manifest that they are seeking after a country of their own. And if indeed they had been mindful of that [country] from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return. But now they desire a better [country], that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed of them, to be called their God; for he hath prepared for them a city.

I am confident that I have been given the grace and mercy of God and made one of those pilgrims who is seeking with an unshakable hope that 'better country, that is, a heavenly:'. grin



Amen
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:20 PM
It's been a while since I posted, so it may be wise to start by affirming my agreement.

I do think it gives us talking points as a nation and then as Christians that merit thorough discussion. In looking around on a few sites that largely reflect liberal Atheist and conservative Christian viewpoints there can be little doubt that liberals oppose Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation sincerely and ardently enough for some to even propose and encourage violence in championing their agenda, and conservatives support Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation sincerely and ardently enough for some to even champion his confirmation were Dr. Blasey Ford's allegations true (though of this “some” sample there's a distinguishing between characterising the alleged behaviour as attempted rape and manslaughter, or viewing them as druken high-school campy horseplay). Those are the extremes. The question then becomes that for folk between those extremes, to what degree ought a SCOTUS nominee's personal and professional histories be determinant of both their worthiness to represent all the people of the nation and to do so with a moral clarity and comportment reflective of national expectation.

What I've heard from liberals is that Judge Kavanaugh is “evil” and evil ought to be eradicated and especially precluded from the SCOTUS – that having this evil on the Court will do irreparable harm to the nation. And, in any case, that Judge Kavanaugh cannot possibly represent them with any degree of fairness or non-partisan justice.

What I've heard from conservatives is more of a mixed bag, but on the guilt/innocence issue those believing Judge Kavanaugh largely claim his innocence establishes his moral worthiness to the Court, and his record in jurisprudence establishes his fairness in representing all the people of our nation.

However, among conservatives there seems also to be a noticeable group of folk giving a heavy ponder to this last part of the hearing and accentuated claims from others earlier regarding Judge Kavanaugh's temperament and seemingly partisan remarks directed to the Democrats. This speaks to what the OP reflects on the linked article.
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Douthat makes the case that it doesn’t really matter whether Judge Brett Kavanaugh is guilty or innocent of the allegations against him. Even if Kavanaugh is innocent, he has been tainted by accusations made against him and on those grounds alone could be unfit to serve on the Supreme Court.


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Even if Kavanaugh is innocent of the charge of a teenage sexual assault… to give such prominence and power to a man credibly accused would both leave an unnecessary taint on his future rulings (especially given his appointment by our Playboy president) and alienate social conservatives from the persuadable Americans, women especially, whose support any pro-life program ultimately requires


It's striking to me just how much the current debacle reflects that of the confirmation of Justice Clarence Thomas to the SCOTUS. While Democrat Sen. And Committee Chairman Joe Biden opposed and voted against Justice Thomas on policy, other Democrats indeed expressed that Justice Thomas would be too tainted by allegations of sexual misconduct to effectively serve on the Court.

I heartily agree that mere allegations ought in no way influence or effect appropriateness to serve or effectiveness of performance. Further, while I would personally be uncomfortable with a drunk or lush or alcoholic on the bench, and equally uncomfortable with someone who may have done something somewhere in high-school or college that was sexually inappropriate, those demographics represent a very large segment of the American people and American culture. To me, inappropriate juvenile behaviour is not and should not be an automatic disqualification, even to the highest court of the land. The “casting stones” wisdom remains, even considering King David's record of adultery, murder, and redemptive restoration. Did King David remain in struggle with the consequences of his repented actions? Yes, he did. Did they remove or disqualify him from service? No, they did not, not with repentance.

I realise too, the angle toward just picking some other unstained nominee out of the bag, but hey, this has become the new normal – delay and destroy the competition by any means necessary. That sort of strategy ought never be rewarded, whether of Democrats or Republicans. We shouldn't as a nation or as Christians be looking for ways to enact treason against our President, even if or when we think it's in our nation's best interests. It's maybe too modern and common a phrase to sink in for some, but, "One nation, under God. with liberty and justice for all" is something to which I think Judge Kavanaugh remains steadfastly committed.

In college we studied Richard Niebuhr's 5 classic Christian Christ-culture options trying to untangle messy debates on living in the world. The thought proposed by Douthat is that in saving a persuadable culture toward Christian value(s) we ought not to needlessly confront them directly with pure contrast and certainly not belligerently in stark prior distance from agreement and acceptability with them. Christ though, calls us to be salt and light, a preserving beacon of hope toward redemption. While it's most certainly true that God came to Earth and tabernacled among us as one of us, it's equally true that He did not compromise nor withdraw His service from being thought either a prude or a fraud. That He was tainted by false allegations thankfully did not dissuade Him from all needed loving service on our behalf. Neither ought such challenge dissuade or disqualify Judge Kavanaugh.
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Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:12 PM
The person is not actually saying we are to be under the authority of every elder of the universal Church. He is saying we are to be under the authorrity of local Church elders. However, one doesn't need to be a member of that local Church to be under the authority of them.
In other words being under the authority of local elders is biblical, but local Church membership is not.
When pressed about how a local Chirch could actually enforce their authority to a non-member. The person says basically that if the person does not submit they are still subject to local Church discipline. They don't actually say how it could be enforced, they just say it is a matter of the sovereignty of God.
Not sure what he means by that.
One person said to him that he is going against a few thousand years of practice in the Church. He said he does not mind because Martin Luther did it, against the Roman Catholic Church.
I had to laugh about the last part, Luther wasn't actually doing anything that they Church didn't believe before. Augustine, Huss and a few others come to mind.

Tom


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What's New on The Highway website?
Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:28 AM
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A STRONGER INDICATION OF A mind unreconciled to God can hardly be conceived than the unwillingness to receive reproof. The humble man is always thankful for admonition administered in the spirit of meekness and prompted by a sincere desire for the welfare of the offender; while the haughty sinner, whose ways are always right in his own eyes, indignantly rejects it. Hence the reasonable precaution which our Saviour addressed to His disciples: “Give not that which is holy unto dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you” (Matthew 7:6).

Theologian and evangelist of great renown, Asahel Nettleton, is the author of this month's Article of the Month. He was greatly admired and respected by Jonathan Edwards and was instrumental in the Second Great Awakening, reported to have brought over 30,000 to Christ.

His article is divided into three parts:
  • First, The Care Which God Has Taken For the Reproof of Offenders—It Is Often Administered.
  • Second, The Effect of This Reproof—He Hardens His Neck.
  • Third, The Consequence of An Incorrigible Disposition—Sudden and Remediless Destruction.

To the text upon which he expounds; Matthew 7:6, he directs his readers to two additional passages, “He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot” (Proverbs 9:7). “Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee; rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee” (Proverbs 9:8).

Thus the reader will assuredly gain some spiritual wisdom in dealing with those around him and perhaps gain some insight into the verity of their own profession of faith. May the Lord bless the reading of Asahel Nettleton's words as they are sound scriptural teaching.

You can go immediately to the article by clicking here: Final Warning
Or, you can read it later at a more convenient time by going to The Highway website and clicking on the "Article of the Month" logo.

In His service and grace,
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Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:05 PM
Pilgrim
You are preaching to the choir here. Azusa is an Arminian institution so their statement is expected. Every single one of us whether gay, straight, whatever, are worthy of hell. It is a wonder that any of us were chosen in Christ before the foundations of the world.
My point was not to use this thread for that particular topic.
My point wasn't even Azuza at all. It was how institutions who claim to be Christian are being forced to make a choice of either compromising to stay in business, or suffer the consequences. This is even affecting our own denominations to various degrees. I am fully aware that God's plans are not being affected at all; in fact this is part of His plan. Yet, I have never seen such depravity in North America in my 59 years; and the ball seems to be rolling faster and faster in that general direction.

The only reason why I even brought Azusa back into the conversation is because new information came in that I only thought fair to bring up.
The only value depraved man has is the fact that they have been created in the image of God. We do not need to compromise anything in order to show love to the world; unfortunately there are so called Christians who seem to want the whole LBGT community and other depraved movements to go to hell rather than repent and turn to faith in Christ.
If I am proclaiming the truth of the Gospel to anyone, no matter who they are, I want to proclaim the truth in love, showing them I actually care about them. I do not want me to get in the way; because the only thing good in me is Christ. I did not deserve to get saved.

Tom
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