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Does the NASB have a bad reputation
by Pilgrim. Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:12 PM
Numbers in Genesis 46
by Meta4. Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:58 PM
"Belonging to God's Family" - John H. Gerstner
by Pilgrim. Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:13 AM
Wesleyan Prevenient Grace
by Tom. Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:29 PM
Redeeming the time
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Keeping the Sabbath (Lord's Day) Holy
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Yesterday at 09:12 PM
1. The NASB is hardly "hard to read", unless perhaps English is not one's primary language or they have never attended school.

2. The typical criticism of the NASB is that it wasn't translated from the TR (Textus Receptus/Received Text).

Personally, I don't consider the NASB to be a great translation, regardless of the source material used. There are many more that are worse which are far more popular, e.g., the NIV.
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Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:28 AM
Thanks for pointing out the dead link. I did a search for that church, hoping it had simply changed their internet provider, but such was not the case. The church closed its doors in 2016.

See here: ALOHA TO GRACE CHURCH OF KAUAI.
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Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:58 PM
This is a question about the numbers in Genesis chapter 46. I have consulted commentaries, and it seems they wish only to talk about Stephen's comment in Acts 7:14. However, my question is unrelated to that comment, and is about a seeming discrepancy in the numbers within Genesis 46.

This chapter lists Jacob's descendants who went into Egypt, both male and female. The numbers specifically do not include Jacob's wives, nor the wives of his sons, (nor do they include Jacob himself, except in v.27,) but do include his sons and daughters, grandsons and granddaughters; all those which came from him. The names of his descendants are grouped according to which of Jacob's wives bore them, and a total is given for each of those four groups.

If you add up all the names given, you will find that there are 71. But this includes Er and Onan, who died in Canaan and did not go to Egypt (v.12.) Subtracting two leaves the total at 69. However, this includes Joseph and his two sons Manasseh and Ephraim, who were already in Egypt. So subtracting those three leaves 66, which matches v.26 "All the persons who went with Jacob to Egypt, who came from his body, besides Jacob’s sons’ wives, were sixty-six persons in all." Okay so far?

Now verse 27 says "And the sons of Joseph who were born to him in Egypt were two persons. All the persons of the house of Jacob who went to Egypt were seventy." So here we add back Joseph and his two sons, and Jacob himself (all of the house of Jacob,) to arrive at 70. Still good.

The apparent discrepancy occurs when you look at the totals of the four groups, given as 33 (v.15,) 16 (v.18,) 14 (v.22,) and 7 (v.25,) which total 70, rather than 71. So subtracting Er and Onan, Joseph and his two sons, leaves 65 (doesn't match v.26;) and adding back Joseph and his two sons, and Jacob, makes 69, which doesn't match v.27.

If you count the number of names given for the last three groups, Zilpah, Rachel and Bilhah, they match the given totals (16, 14, 7.) However, all of the names listed in the first group of Leah, total 34 which does not match the given total of 33, either before or after removing Er and Onan!

So where is the problem--is it somewhere within the translation, or is it with the guy behind the keyboard? compute confused
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Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:13 AM
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The first problem we have with being adopted into God’s family is that we are born into another family, and we are not up for adoption. As a matter of fact, our father is very much opposed to our adoption and does everything he possibly can to keep us where we were born and see to it that nobody takes us from him.

This month's Article of the Month was penned by one of my most beloved of God's earthly children who now sits in the heavenlies with Christ awaiting for the redemption of his body and the New Heaven and New Earth. Dr. Gerstner delves into the subject of "adoption" starting from the beginning (typically a good place to start, wouldn't you say?) with what family mankind belongs to by birth. And then he progresses through the steps by which a person comes to be adopted by God, given a new name and given a permanent place in the family of God. He hits on a couple of subjects which have been mentioned and discussed here on the board in the past and even recently. Those who have been reading the discussions here should pick up on those subjects. wink

I do hope that you all will enjoy Dr. Gerstner's little exposé as much as I have and still do.

You can read this month's article now by clicking here: Adoption: Belonging to God's Family.

Or, you can go to The Highway main page and click on the "Article of the Month" link which will give you access to current article and all past articles.

In His service and grace,
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Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:29 AM
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Beneficence, God's philanthropy toward all men is not to be conflated with GRACE. In fact, all the general goodness of God which he showers upon all men as He determines are without question good things. And it is because they are good and come from God, they will be used as evidence against men at the judgment for they are without thankfulness to God for them, even life itself.

Personally speaking, although I will be nitpicky if people use the term ‘common grace’ to refer to anything other than “Beneficence, God's philanthropy toward all men.” I will not make a big deal about the issue otherwise.
In a way (not perfectly), this reminds me of some Reformed people I have run into that protest against the term “Calvinism”. They state that the term is too misleading and therefore should never be used. There is of course some truth in this, because in this day and age even some 4 pointers call themselves “Calvinists”. However, they protest too loudly.

Tom
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:44 AM
Ephesians 5:16, “Redeeming the time.”

Christians should not only study to improve the opportunities they enjoy, for their own advantage, as those who would make a good bargain; but also labor to reclaim others from their evil courses; that so God might defer his anger, and time might be redeemed from that terrible destruction, which, when it should come, would put an end to the time of divine patience. And it may be upon this account, that this reason is added, Because the days are evil. As if the apostle had said, the corruption of the times tends to hasten threatened judgments; but your holy and circumspect walk will tend to redeem time from the devouring jaws of those calamities. — However, thus much is certainly held forth to us in the words; viz. that upon time we should set a high value, and be exceeding careful that it be not lost; and we are therefore exhorted to exercise wisdom and circumspection, in order that we may redeem it. And hence it appears, that time is exceedingly precious.

Why time is precious.

Time is precious for the following reasons:
First, because a happy or miserable eternity depends on the good or ill improvement of it. Things are precious in proportion to their importance, or to the degree wherein they concern our welfare. Men are wont to set the highest value on those things upon which they are sensible their interest chiefly depends. And this renders time so exceedingly precious, because our eternal welfare depends on the improvement of it. — Indeed our welfare in this world depends upon its improvement. If we improve it not, we shall be in danger of coming to poverty and disgrace; but by a good improvement of it, we may obtain those things which will be useful and comfortable. But it is above all things precious, as our state through eternity depends upon it. The importance of the improvement of time upon other accounts, is in subordination to this.

Gold and silver are esteemed precious by men; but they are of no worth to any man, only as thereby he has an opportunity of avoiding or removing some evil, or of possessing himself of some good. And the greater the evil is which any man hath advantage to escape, or the good which he hath advantage to obtain, by anything that he possesses, by so much the greater is the value of that thing to him, whatever it be. Thus if a man, by anything which he hath, may save his life, which he must lose without it, he will look upon that by which he hath the opportunity of escaping so great an evil as death, to be very precious. — Hence it is that time is so exceedingly precious, because by it we have opportunity of escaping everlasting misery, and of obtaining everlasting blessedness and glory. On this depends our escape from an infinite evil, and our attainment of an infinite good.

Second, time is very short, which is another thing that renders it very precious. The scarcity of any commodity occasions men to set a higher value upon it, especially if it be necessary and they cannot do without it. Thus when Samaria was besieged by the Syrians, and provisions were exceedingly scarce, “an ass’s head was sold for fourscore pieces of silver, and the fourth part of a cab of dove’s dung for five pieces of silver.” 2 Kin. 6:25. — So time is the more to be prized by men, because a whole eternity depends upon it; and yet we have but a little of time. “When a few years are come, then I shall go the way whence I shall not return.” Job 16:22. “My days are swifter than a post. They are passed away as the swift ships; as the eagle that hasteth to the prey.” Job 9:25, 26. “Our life; what is it? It is but a vapour which appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.” Jam. 4:14. It is but as a moment to eternity. Time is so short, and the work which we have to do in it is so great, that we have none of it to spare. The work which we have to do to prepare for eternity, must be done in time, or it never can be done; and it is found to be a work of great difficulty and labor, and therefore that for which time is the more requisite.

Third, time ought to be esteemed by us very precious, because we are uncertain of its continuance. We know that it is very short, but we know not how short. We know not how little of it remains, whether a year, or several years, or only a month, a week, or a day. We are every day uncertain whether that day will not be the last, or whether we are to have the whole day. There is nothing that experience doth more verify than this. — If a man had but little provision laid up for a journey or a voyage, and at the same time knew that if his provision should fail, he must perish by the way, he would be the more choice of it. — How much more would many men prize their time, if they knew that they had but a few months, or a few days, more to live! And certainly a wise man will prize his time the more, as he knows not but that it will be so as to himself. This is the case with multitudes now in the world, who at present enjoy health, and see no signs of approaching death. Many such, no doubt, are to die the next month, many the next week, yea, many probably tomorrow, and some this night. Yet these same persons know nothing of it, and perhaps think nothing of it, and neither they nor their neighbors can say that they are more likely soon to be taken out of the world than others. This teaches us how we ought to prize our time, and how careful we ought to be, that we lose none of it.

Fourth, time is very precious, because when it is past, it cannot be recovered. There are many things which men possess, which if they part with, they can obtain them again. If a man have parted with something which he had, not knowing the worth of it, or the need he should have of it; he often can regain it, at least with pains and cost. If a man have been overseen in a bargain, and have bartered away or sold something, and afterwards repents of it, he may often obtain a release, and recover what he had parted with. — But it is not so with respect to time. When once that is gone, it is gone forever; no pains, no cost will recover it. Though we repent ever so much that we let it pass, and did not improve it while we had it, it will be to no purpose. Every part of it is successively offered to us, that we may choose whether we will make it our own, or not. But there is no delay. It will not wait upon us to see whether or no we will comply with the offer. But if we refuse, it is immediately taken away, and never offered more. As to that part of time which is gone, however we have neglected to improve it, it is out of our possession and out of our reach.

If we have lived fifty, or sixty, or seventy years, and have not improved our time, now it cannot be helped. It is eternally gone from us. All that we can do, is to improve the little that remains. Yea, if a man have spent all his life but a few moments unimproved, all that is gone is lost, and only those few remaining moments can possibly be made his own. And if the whole of a man’s time be gone, and it be all lost, it is irrecoverable. — Eternity depends on the improvement of time. But when once the time of life is gone, when once death is come, we have no more to do with time; there is no possibility of obtaining the restoration of it, or another space in which to prepare for eternity. If a man should lose the whole of his worldly substance, and become a bankrupt, it is possible that his loss may be made up. He may have another estate as good. But when the time of life is gone, it is impossible that we should ever obtain another such time. All opportunity of obtaining eternal welfare is utterly and everlastingly gone.

~ Jonathan Edwards, [from a sermon 1734]
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Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:54 AM
I think the problem is too many worldly distractions during the week spilling over into Sunday.... If Sunday is the only day in which God is worshipped and recogized as a family there's a problem....... Complacency, indifference and legalistic extorsions are all plagues.... I'm guilty of all of these more often than I care to admit, if I'm being truly honest with myself....
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Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:30 PM
thewave Kudos Tom! thewave
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Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:41 PM
Yeah, it was a train wreck.... The lead interviewer asked him to cancel the event and told him what he was doing was wrong but he remained indignant
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Quotes
Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:48 PM
Amongst all the devices that Satan makes use of, there is none by which he grieves the children of God worse, than his troubling you with blasphemous, profane, unbelieving thoughts; and sometimes to such a degree, that they are as tormenting as it is to be physically tortured.

You that have felt his fiery darts, can tell by fatal experience how often the devil has bid you, “curse God and die,” and darted into your thoughts a thousand blasphemous suggestions, even in your most secret and solemn times; looking back on which makes your very hearts to tremble.

Have not some of you, when you have been lifting up holy hands in prayer, been pestered with such a crowd of the most horrid insinuations, that you have often been made to believe your prayers were an abomination to the Lord? Nay, when, with the rest of your Christian brethren, you have crowded round the holy table, and taken the sacred symbols of Christ’s most blessed body and blood into your hands, and instead of remembering the death of your Savior, have you not been employed in driving out evil thoughts, and thereby have been terrified, lest you have eaten and drank your own damnation?

But marvel not, as though some strange thing happened to you; for this has been the common lot of all God’s children. We read, even in Job’s time, “That when the sons of God came to appear before their Maker, (at public worship) Satan also came amongst them,” to disturb their devotions.
And think not that God is angry with you for these distracting, though ever so blasphemous thoughts: No, he knows it is not you, but Satan working in you; and therefore, though God will certainly punish him; yet he will both pity and reward you.

And though it is difficult to make persons in your circumstances to believe so; yet I do not doubt that you are more acceptable to God when performing your holy duties in the midst of such involuntary distractions, than when you are wrapped up by devotion, as it were, into the third heavens; for when the unwanted thoughts come you are suffering, as well as doing the will of God.

~ George Whitfield
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:34 PM
I will look for it and post it if I find it.
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:29 PM
Apology accepted.
The testimony part is only to point out the transforming power of the Gospel.
I have friends who have been alcoholics, that made their wives and children's lives terrible. One friend for example was at the point of suicide, when he found himself crying out to God and God answered him and through a series of meetings with a pastor he became a changed man. That was probably around 20 years ago now and he still has not had a drink. He now lives to glorify the Lord.
It was the Lord who set him free, but for those who know this man, knowing what he was like before and after, all I can say is, thankyou Lord!
No his testimony can not save anyone; but it sure can encourage people.
The Lord actually used the lives of Christians to make me interested in finding out what Christianity was all about nearly 40 years ago now.

Tom
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:41 PM
Originally Posted by Pilgrim
2. Music may consist of both lyrics and tune or just the tune. Music which Scripture enjoins must be in accord with the divine attributes of God, aka: to glorify God. It is a serious error to embrace the modern concept of that command; to glorify God which has been turned upside down and now it is said to mean whatever an individual feels (emotionally) or intends (purpose), which God will always accept. This is blasphemous on its face and a violation of the 2nd and 3rd Commandments. Man has no warrant to define what God accepts, e.g., God will accept something offered if it is done sincerely, etc. Most forms of contemporary music are odious to God.

Again, in the Calvinism and the Reformed Faith > Ecclesiology section, see the list of articles under the "Music" heading for a good start on what a Christian should be embracing, both in their personal sanctification and in corporate worship.


I have to admit, this offends my human sensibilities... which probably means there's something to what you're telling me here comfort

Thank God I have His Spirit to give me the wisdom to see that! bingo

Thank you for pointing this out. I think I'll continue to listen to what I listen to for now, for the content is still better than other trash I could be (and want to be, for I still like some secular music, but try to shy away from it) putting into my ears. But I now will surely be looking into this new light of information. Thank you!
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:08 AM
A friend of mine (an aquantance from work), just e-mailed something to me and I am wondering if this information is legit? This person apparently has taught history classes on Parthia and a few other ancient civilizations. (the blank spots below have maps; which I did not include, because I am not sure how).

Numerous of the Apostles went to Parthia where the 3 Wisemen came from, when one checks out the history of these Wisemen. They were sent from the Royal family of Parthia Religious Court. Jewish historian Josephus said that at the time of Christ, Israelites were like the sand in the sea and the Israelites were so numerous east of the Euphrates River. Which was the border between Rome and Parthia for centuries.

Of course secular historians always play down Parthia.







Interesting that Andrew went to Sogdiana which is Bactria or part of Afghanistan.
It is recorded that King Solomon visited this area 1,000 years pervious.
Afghanistan is named after the Israel’s first King Saul grandson Afgani who was in charge of the Israelite Army under King Solomon.

Here it shows the travels of Thomas crisscrossing Parthia and Kushan Empires.




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