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Believe me, I know my depravity all too well...but is THIS how I should see myself first and foremost? I suspect not....
Well, then it appears we will have to disagree! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> One cannot find comfort in Christ until one sees oneself as God sees us; sinners first, who have been redeemed by the blood of Christ and had His righteousness IMPUTED to them. Roman Catholicism says that God sees Christ's actual righteousness "INFUSED" into them; i.e., a righteousness that is their own.

Perhaps Paul erred or perhaps he was indeed one born out of time in that he didn't have the advantage of being able to read Jerry Bridges' article? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/evilgrin.gif" alt="" /> For as I mentioned in my first reply to you, it was at the very end of his life that he proclaimed himself to be the "chief of sinners". He extolled the riches of knowing Christ. He spoke of being seated with Christ in the heavenlies. But this is relational and not actual. The more Paul lived with the knowledge of having been redeemed, he ALSO, by the Spirit, was given to see himself as God saw him in his sinfulness. And it was because of this knowledge of self that he was able to proclaim GRACE upon GRACE.

I would ask you, how does the biblical record describe the attitude and manner of those who were given special insights, visions and knowledge of God? Were they not first shown, as believers, their sinfulness as they beheld God's holiness? (cf. Is 6:1-5; Dan 10:16, 17; Job 42:5, 6; Matt 8:8; Lk 5:8; et al). I would also offer you another of Paul's exhortations which speaks to Christians specifically, where he wrote:

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Philippians 2:12-13 (ASV) "So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure."

Although the following passage is often used to evidence the deity of Christ, it's original purpose was given as an example of how a Christian should conduct himself:

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Philippians 2:5-8 (ASV) "Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient [even] unto death, yea, the death of the cross."

And one last bit of wisdom from the pen of the Apostle Paul:

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1 Corinthians 10:12 (KJV) "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall."

In His Grace,


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