Its funny because I hear all the same arguments when I talk to an arminian about justification. Pretty much word for word. They say there are all these commands in the bible to believe and repent and we must participate in that, and ---yes, we must and we will, once he changes our minds and gives us the desire. You all keep pointing out verses to me that say we must participate in our sanctification and I say to that --–yes, we must and we will, once he changes our minds and gives us the desire. It seems strange to me that you believe the Holy Spirit can do it in justification, but not in sanctification. In sanctification, we must help him along. The idea that he would do the work in us and give us the desire to do these things is called ethereal, mystical, secret and alien guiding. I do not believe it. I will look to Christ for my justification [b]and[/b] my sanctification. If I have to depend on myself to do it I will fail, I know. If I look to him and study his word, I know he will perform the work in me. I needn't worry about it, just look to him and trust in him and the faith and good works will come. Carol For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. II Timothy 1:12 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen Hebrews 13: 21-21