William and Joe, First of all, I do believe that women are to be under the authority of the man in the areas of teaching and leadership. Where we disagree, is on if a woman can ever teach a man and if a woman is to always remain silent in our churches. Both of you are quick to accuse me of misuse of Scripture, such as Gal. 3:27-28 and not willing to submit to theologians or Church polity in the history of the Church. Yet, what "pet" theologian have all of us quoted from, only to find out that we disagree with on some other issue (like Dr Grudem on 1 Timothy 2:11-12 and the Spiritual gifts)?In regards to church polity, what first century church, remotely looks like how we play church today? What if the Greek word "didaskien" in the present tense can mean "to teach continuously"? Would that change either of your minds in respect to 1 Tim.2:11-12? Finally, when I look back at the posts presented on this issue, I begin to wonder if a legalistic tone runs deep through this whole area. What ever happen to grace? George