speratus,

With all due respect, are you sure you are understanding these documents you are saying support the notion that fallen man has no freedom of will whatsoever? Sorry, but I simply cannot find anything in any of the quotes you have so far provided that would support this notion. Be that as it may, the Scriptures, being the sole and final authority in all matters of doctrine, don't even hint at what you are espousing here.

Do you have any Scripture to offer? or even something a bit clearer by Luther or whoever that states this novel idea? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

In His Grace,


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simul iustus et peccator

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