[quote][b][i]OrthodoxCatholic said:[/i][/b] But really, what exactly is it that you are looking for? Reassurance of your state with Him? Remember, faith is the assurance of things not seen. And faith is that which pleases Him most. [/quote] Thanks Brother Ed, the above is the most helpful response so far. Yes, I am looking for reassurance of my state with him, and also to solve the puzzle of why He is not present to or with me spiritually, while God the Father and the Holy Spirit both clearly are. Pilgrim, I'm sorry that my words disturbed you. It is not my intention to threaten anyone's beliefs or cause upset. I'm simply describing the situation as truthfully and straightforwardly as I can to try to find an answer for myself, and by extension, for all Christendom. I spent the better part of two days reading information posted on this site before making my own post here, and so I am quite familiar with what is available, and in fact the high quality of the information I found was the basis upon which I decided to bring my question before this forum. I said in my very first post that I do not believe I am a Christian, and told everyone why. Now I would like help if possible to find out how this can be so, and if appropriate, how it might be changed. It is not in anyone's interest for me to recite a litany here of everything I know about Jesus Christ. Please suffice it to say that I know in essence what all of the churches I've attended, my Sunday School lessons, Bible study, and Christian Discipleship School have taught me over the years, which I'm confident is in essence also what your Bible believing Christian teachers have taught you. While there may be minor points of interpretive difference, my experience is that Biblical Christian teaching is essentially the same the world over, even cross-denominationally, and so I trust that I essentially understand the same truths in basic that you and the rest of the Christian community understand. Please let me assure you that both God the Father and the Holy Spirit can be clearly seen, and both be clearly heard with spiritual vision and spiritual hearing. Because others may describe very real experiences which one has not yet personally had does not mean that those experiences are invalid or errors. "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God." To whom was the Lord referring, if not to us? I most certainly DO know God the Father and the Holy Spirit. And I [i]almost[/i] certainly DO NOT know Jesus, although I trust that he exists, and sometimes... occasionally... feel that He is present. This is the puzzle. And so I would like to return to my original question to this forum: Do some Christians have a personal experience of, or personal relationship with Jesus Christ, while others, equally Christian, do not? Shall we begin a poll? Thanks again to all, Savin