The Highway Forums General Discussion Theology Discussion Forum Do Christians have personal contact with Jesus?

Savin,

I think you misunderstood my use of the word, "disturbing"! What I meant by what I wrote is that I found your description of what you believe to be true to be so woefully lacking compared to what is taught in the inspired Word of God. When I read your words, my heart was smitten with sadness. My own beliefs were hardly threatened. Thus let me assure you that you should not feel any apprehension in saying what you hold to be true.

Fair enough. I will affirm that you are decidedly not a Christian based upon what you have revealed of your core beliefs. They are antithetical to classic Christianity in many ways, not excluding your understanding of the nature of the Godhead and the relationship that exists between the three persons.

I regret that I have to inform you that this is simply not the case. Christianity, broadly speaking, is a term used by many who teach doctrines contrary to biblical truth. Thus the use of the name is more injurous than helpful, as is the case here.

but you cannot assure me that both the Father and Spirit can be "seen", as you have described your "seeing". I provided for you myriad Scriptural texts which totally discredit this view and show it to be antithetical to what the Lord Christ Himself taught. No offense, but I think that the incarnate God has more credibility and verity than you do. And thus I will believe Him rather than you.

Once again, I have to tell you in all earnest, that you do not know God the Father nor the Holy Spirit, for they can ONLY be known in and through the Lord Jesus Christ, the incarnate Son of the Living God. Consider these words:

Colossians 1:14-20 (ASV) "in whom [Christ] we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins: who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; and he is before all things, and in him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it was the good pleasure [of the Father] that in him should all the fulness dwell; and through him to reconcile all things unto himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross; through him, [I say], whether things upon the earth, or things in the heavens."

Without knowing Christ you cannot know the Father nor the Spirit, Whom Christ sent to dwell in those who have come to Him by way or repentance and faith. Until such time as you do, by the mercy of God, you will remain a "child of wrath", at enmity with God and in need of justification of your sins. God does not communicate with sinners nor hear their prayers. (Jh 9:31; Prov 15:29; 28:9; Isa 1:15; Ps 34:15, 16)

One of the texts I previously submitted to you which clearly teaches that NO ONE can know the Father unless Christ Himself reveals Him was:

Matthew 11:25-27 (ASV) At that season Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou didst hide these things from the wise and understanding, and didst reveal them unto babes: yea, Father, for so it was well-pleasing in thy sight. All things have been delivered unto me of my Father: and no one knoweth the Son, save the Father; neither doth any know the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son willeth to reveal [him.]"

If you would like to submit a poll, by all means do.

BTW, I noticed that in your reply raw UBB Code was displayed. Most likely, in the dropdown menu for "Make post", you chose, without UBBCode/HMTL. To use UBB Code, you must choose either, using UBBCode or using HTML and UBBCode.

In His Grace,