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Oh, come now! Don't you have His body in your eucharist here on earth?

Touche! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bow.gif" alt="" />

Good one! But the problem still remains. There has to be a way for the covenantal head to fulfill the duties and responsibilities which go with that position.

This was one of the chief problems I encountered with the idea of a "spiritual church" as posited by the Reformers. Just HOW does Christ speak CLEARLY AND PERSPICUOUSLY to an earthly people if He is in Heaven and His voice is not heard?

And no, it is NOT the Bible.

Sorry. That won't wash and the number of Protestant denominations that abound with varying different interpretations of the scriptures, yet all claiming to be led of the Holy Spirit is a moot and eloquent argument against that idea.

There MUST be a head who is SEEN and HEARD by the family he is leading.

Now....he may not be the best father, he may have his own sins to deal with, but in matters of morality and doctrine, he is to be listened to. Especially if he is being protected from error by the Holy Spirit.

Kyle...my turn. You asked me a good question. Here's one for you.

WHY is it that you, as a Reformed person, can believe that the Holy Spirit is powerful enough to bring the unwilling sinner to faith, but He is not powreful enough to rule the mind of the one who sits in the Chair of St. Peter?

Isn't that a tad inconsistent? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

BTW -- thank you for your overall gracious tone in disagreement.

Cordially in Christ,


Brother Ed