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Good one! But the problem still remains. There has to be a way for the covenantal head to fulfill the duties and responsibilities which go with that position.

This was one of the chief problems I encountered with the idea of a "spiritual church" as posited by the Reformers. Just HOW does Christ speak CLEARLY AND PERSPICUOUSLY to an earthly people if He is in Heaven and His voice is not heard?

And no, it is NOT the Bible.

Sorry. That won't wash and the number of Protestant denominations that abound with varying different interpretations of the scriptures, yet all claiming to be led of the Holy Spirit is a moot and eloquent argument against that idea.

Hardly, sir. It but shows the extent of the depravity of man. And why should we trust the Bishop of Rome, who must himself claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit?

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There MUST be a head who is SEEN and HEARD by the family he is leading.

Christ by the Spirit through the Scripture and the Sacraments (which are visible tokens of the Word!). I've said this before, have I not?

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Kyle...my turn. You asked me a good question. Here's one for you.

WHY is it that you, as a Reformed person, can believe that the Holy Spirit is powerful enough to bring the unwilling sinner to faith, but He is not powreful enough to rule the mind of the one who sits in the Chair of St. Peter?

Isn't that a tad inconsistent?

I believe the Holy Spirit is plenty powerful enough to rule the mind of the man who presides as Bishop of Rome. But it never was a matter of the Spirit's power, but of God's own word. There is no justification in the revealed word of God for the institution of the papal office.

Kyle

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified.