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Your view actually embraces both the RCC and the LC views, though now you "claim" they do not:

Your Catholic View:

“"Take eat; this is my body" means that Christ gives us His natural body to be eaten.”

Your LC view:

“the body and blood of Christ are present in, with, and under the bread and wine in the incomprehensible spiritual mode in which He neither occupies nor vacates space.”

No. The RCC does not believe that the natural body of Christ is present. The Papists believe in a concept called concomitance whereby the bread is converted to a mixture of "Flesh and Blood, Body and Soul, Humanity and Divinity", a concept which they admit is not found in the Words of Institution.

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NewAdvent, Real PresenceBy virtue of the words of consecration, or ex vi verborum, that only is made present which is expressed by the words of Institution, namely the Body and the Blood of Christ. But by reason of a natural concomitance (per concomitantiam), there becomes simultaneously present all that which is physically inseparable from the parts just named, and which must, from a natural connection with them, always be their accompaniment. Now, the glorified Christ, Who "dieth now no more" (Rom, vi, 9) has an animate Body through whose veins courses His life's Blood under the vivifying influence of soul. Consequently, together with His Body and Blood and Soul, His whole Humanity also, and, by virtue of the hypostatic union, His Divinity, i.e. Christ whole and entire, must be present. Hence Christ is present in the sacrament with His Flesh and Blood, Body and Soul, Humanity and Divinity


A brief point of clarification regarding your quotations from the LCMS Brief Statement. The only doctrinal formulations binding on LCMS members are those from the 1580 Book of Concord. LCMS convention resolutions do not have confessional authority. They are theses offered up for consideration. Your comments are appreciated.

Last edited by speratus; Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:31 AM.