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speratus quotes Gerlach as saying: Our particular concern is with the genus maiestaticum, especially with thecommunication of the divine omnipresence to the human nature of Jesus Christ. The Nestorian/Zwinglian errorseparated the Deity of Christ (together with all the divine attributes) from the human nature (the sw~ma) ofChrist Jesus. Thus according to the Zwinglians, Jesus could not be present everywhere except in a spiritualsense to faith. That error obscures the truth that the body Jesus gave for us and the blood He shed for us on thecross redeemed us because all the fulness of the Godhead dwelt in that body and blood. His blood was “holy,precious blood” because it was divine blood. Yes, and this is where I have to strongly disagree with what you are embracing and which Gerlach embraces, et al..... i.e., that the INCOMMUNICABLE attributes of Omnipotence, Omniscience and Omnipresence were communicated to the human nature of the Lord Jesus Christ. The PERSON of the Lord Jesus Christ was not and is not Omnipresent!! Chalcedon makes it crystal clear that this is error; i.e., the two natures though inseparable were not intermixed. The COMMUNICABLE attributes of God in Christ were communicated to Him. The divine nature, i.e., the Son of God, the second person of the Trinity changed not one iota at the incarnation. He was, is and forever shall be God. But the PERSON of the Lord Jesus Christ is not Omnipresent, never was, is not now and never shall be Omnipresent. This means that the doctrine of "consubstantiation" must be rejected. Christ is truly present in the Supper via the presence of the Holy Spirit, the Lord's "Advocate" Whom He sent when He ascended on high to sit at the right hand of the Father. The triune God communes with believers as can be seen in John 14:23, "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my word: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."
Again, I suspect that Lutherans have allowed the doctrine of "consubstantiation" to dictate their unique view of the doctrine of the Hypostatic Union. Doubtless, this is but another area of doctrine where the Reformed and Lutherans shall always differ. In His Grace,
simul iustus et peccator
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