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Boanerges said:
Hey Pilgrim I don't mean to disagree here but in this post:
speratus against consubstantiation speratus said that Luther never taught consubstantiation but rather "a sacramental union of the undivided body and blood of Christ in, with, and under the bread and wine." Which I'm not sure but seems to be transubstantiation. But I could be wrong.

Be that as it may I agree with you Pilgrim.
Well, you are 100% correct in that speratus did clearly deny that Luther taught "consubstantiation", although every source I have read re: the Lutheran view of the "Real Presence" has labeled it "consubstantiation" or "ubiquity". Granted, I have not read every possible source regarding Lutheran sacramental theology and probably speratus has. So, I'll accede to him. Nevertheless, the view that he is espousing, regardless of what he would like to call it, is still contradictory to the teaching of Scripture and the Chalcedon Creed. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/evilgrin.gif" alt="" />

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