Well thats a good start. Man is made right before God because God said he was then did what was necessary to see it done. Somehow that makes it more magnificent that it was before. Salvation that is--I never could buy into that seeker thing. I knew that man wasn't even capable of turning to God on his own. (I think I've got a good handle on the depravity thing) I couldn't really put it into words. Great thread SR and thanks.

Josh
"...the word of God is not bound."--2 Timothy 2:9