You must have misread my earlier posts if you think "my position" is that guns kill people! WHAT I AM SAYING is that when we say "guns don't kill people, people do" to a liberal who is intelligent, he will pounce upon that and say "well, drugs don't kill people, people who abuse drugs do" and thus use the SAME argument for the legalization of cocaine, marijuana, etc. So those of us WHO USE THAT ARGUMENT must be able to understand the counterattacks. Sadly, few do! They blindly say the phrase without understanding that precisely the same logic can be applied elsewhere. <br><br>But the difference is in the presupposition, isn't it? Some things are inherently bad....and why are they bad? Because the Bible either directly or indirectly says so! Without the Bible to tell us what is bad, we have the whim of the majority telling us good and bad. So, OF COURSE I was using equivocation!!!! But without the Word of God, they ARE equivocal! Drugs, prostitution, casinos, and guns CAN NOT be considered good or bad without the Word of God! <br><br>So, for us to use a purely secular argument FOR guns, we must understand that the exact same argument can be given for the legalization of drugs, prostitution, and casinos. We eventually have to get into "good"/"bad", "right"/"wrong". And once we do that, we can't appeal to common sense, because common sense frankly doesn't exist. Common sense tells some people that murdering babies is OK, while other people's common sense says that selling crack on the streets is OK because it pays better than McDonald's. No, common sense is NOT the answer, the answer is the inerrant Word of God. <br><br>Steve<br>

Grace is not common.