<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]You must have misread my earlier posts if you think "my position" is that guns kill people! WHAT I AM SAYING is that when we say "guns don't kill people, people do" to a liberal who is intelligent, </font><hr></blockquote><p> Sorry, if I mis-interpreted what you posted: “[color:blue]I must say I am a bit uncomfortable saying "guns don't kill people, people do”..</font color=blue> Whether this argument is made to a liberal or whoever, the TRUTH is still the TRUTH, [color:red] “guns don't kill people, people do"</font color=red>. The truth does not change per your audience, even when they take it out of its context and attempt equivocal arguments from it.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]But the difference is in the presupposition, isn't it? Some things are inherently bad....and why are they bad? Because the Bible either directly or indirectly says so! </font><hr></blockquote><p> Sometimes it is presupposition and sometimes it is lack of proper logic.. Things that are considered bad are not only considered bad "just" because the Bible says they are (though for the Christian this is our ultimate standard).. we have laws and such that we are to obey.., traffic laws, et. al.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]So, OF COURSE I was using equivocation!!!! But without the Word of God, they ARE equivocal! Drugs, prostitution, casinos, and guns CAN NOT be considered good or bad without the Word of God! </font><hr></blockquote><p> The problem was that you were attempting to make equivocal arguments thinking, or at least suggesting, they were univocal! Even your posts revealed that there were differences in Guns vs. Casinos and Drugs, and yet you attempted an univocal argument using them in your very FIRST post. For some even common sense would tell us guns, drugs, and casinos differ in their properties, and cause and effect.. et. al. Even some politicians discern the differences. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/bravo.gif" alt="bravo" title="bravo[/img]<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]So, for us to use a purely secular argument FOR guns, we must understand that the exact same argument can be given for the legalization of drugs, prostitution, and casinos.</font><hr></blockquote><p> Knowing Wes, as I somewhat do, I am sure he was not suggesting that was his only argument ..it was just a quick way of making an accurate point. The Wes I know will and did go further into detail when asked. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/igiveup.gif" alt="igiveup" title="igiveup[/img]

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