In reply to:[color:"blue"]Gerstner: "But you just told me that you did choose to be here and exercised your will to come tonight. You did have a choice. You did exactly what you wanted to do. You weren't forced here against your will. So however God got you here, it wasn't by forcing you to be here against your will, as if moved involuntarily by a strong wind." Gerstner's approach was to appeal to the objector's own experience, where they know infallibly that they haven't been forced to do anything against their will, but have always, in every case, done exactly what they had chosen to do
By Gerstner's own words, "free will", hence it was not a board game by God, it was Him making us in His image a free will. Since man wasn't forced or inexplicably drawn then any poking and prodding by God never did ever infringe on man's free will.
Why are you so afraid to allow man to exercise his own free will in agreement with God together and graced there upon by God when the redeptive design is allowed to work of deliverance from sin, self, supernatural. Like any relationship the more you are true to that friend the more they are true to you, not by outward works but inward dealings and allowing God's releasings and strengthenings, just like my friends then give back freely; now how much true is this of God Almighty.
That giving back was not of me, it was of my friend for it came from my friend (God). I had nothing to do with it, it was all Him, but I was able to receive it finally by fulfilling his condition for reception. He wanted desperately to give it to me day 1 but through my own will I was not willing to listen until day 5. Now I have what is of His that is not of me but soley His choosing to bestow grace by the conditions He set for fulfilment.
God set this condition, this righteous condition upon himself to not bestow grace where grace is not righteously bestowable. Mercy yes, perhaps. But not grace. Grace is righteously bestowed.
Game, set, match.
Have I come to the right place or what? Thanks Nee, you are a great teacher. But it was really the Holy Spirit in my spirit conveying His mind in the still small voice of my spirit imparted to the mind of my soul to convey it in sound reason and clarity.
