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Needs to get a Life
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Troy,
I'm sure Gerry aka Acts2027 can and will answer you but in the mean time I'd like to tell you what the Bible says.
Arminians believe Christ that died on the cross for every individual person and thereby made it possible for every person to be saved. They also believe that Christ's death, apart from the choice of man, was not able to actually save anyone for many for whom He died are lost. If this is true then it all depends on man and God has to hope that man will choose Him. God wants to save them but man has to let Him. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/sad.gif" alt="sad" title="sad[/img]
However the Bible tells us that Christ died for only God's elect people and thereby actually obtained salvation for all those for whom He died. His death was a substitutionary satisfaction which actually took away the guilt of His chosen people.
Luke 19 10for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost."
John 10 14I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
John 10 26But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. (Notice it doesn't say you are My sheep because you believe but rather Scripture tells us you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.)
Acts 20 28Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
Romans 5 10For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Ephesians 5 25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,
Hebrews 9 12Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
1 Peter 3 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
Troy what you fail to realize is that a dead man cannot make any choices. A drowning man cannot choose to be saved. Unless the Spirit of God breathes life into the soul of man he cannot make any choices much less choose to be born again.
Wes
When I survey the wondrous cross on which the Prince of Glory died, my richest gain I count but loss and pour contempt on all my pride. - Isaac Watts
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