HI Troy,
Welcome to the Highway, I've been away from posting for a little while because work has been keeping me pretty busy, so I didn't quite catch when you came in. I might add as well, that we share first names, so I'll try not to get us confused!

"Our soul had not the capacity to rightly choose God over the flesh. " O but it does. How? Through God's grace

How did He do this? By us choosing Him by our free will.


Let's look at this statement a little more logically. You state that God gave mankind the ability to choose by their own free will because they chose Him. How did they choose Him by their own free will before God graciously gave that to them? That is what is called petitio principi, or, circular reasoning. It's like saying that the smurf is blue because it is blue. Not a valid point/argument.

Neat huh? The soul like a steward still yet though saved chould refuse much of God's movements within for he still retains the sinful nature that never goes away as the flesh wars against the spirit to shut in the spirit.


The sinful nature is the apex of the argument. If a person is sinful, by nature, then the ability to choose good, and, therefore, choose God, does not exist. the nature of a person is the underlying cause of everything a person does. If the underlying cause of a person choosing God is sinful... Do you see what I'm getting at? A sinful nature does not choose God. It is absurd to think that someone chose God sinfully, and then God chose him/her back. What is needed for salvation is a new heart (Ezek. 36:26,7), a resurrection from the dead (Eph. 2), a birth from non-existence into existence (John 3), etc.

He draws all, not all are drawable.


He draws all, not all are drawable, He cannot, then, draw the undrawable, therefore he doesn't draw all. Mass confusion! [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/dizzy.gif" alt="dizzy" title="dizzy[/img]

I would encourage you to think over everything that is being posted to you by the others on this board. There is a wealth of wisdom and knowledge from years and years of hard living, and study-time that totals definitely to more hours than I have even been alive. Most importantly, though return to the Scripture that is being quoted, true knowledge comes from above! May God allow us all to learn from this discussion.
Troy S.
GottseiEhre

Grace is but glory begun;
Glory is but grace perfected!
- Jonathan Edwards