In reply to:[color:"blue"]Hmmmmm, it seems to me that this statement is contradicting itself. You say that it is only once God regenerates us that we can rightly choose Him, but at the same time you are saying that God will only regenerate us once we choose Him. I'm certainly glad that this is not what scripture teaches, for nobody would ever be saved!Please refrain from making declarations about what is and isn't right if you refuse to use the means by which God defines what is and isn't right. We are giving you a lot of scripture to look through. You say we misread scripture but fail to show us how. Your one effort to do this was weak at best (refereing to "He draws all, not all are drawable"). It infers information which isn't stated and that is not even hinted at in the Bible. If it is shown, then show us where? I am not claiming to be perfect or to know everything, but rather I wish, by God's grace to be teachable. I refuse, though, to be taught by anything but God's perfect Word.
No, I said once we choose him He can then regenerate us. We have to walk through that door. He can open it. He can even have a valeh driver and a doorman (his angels) but He can not put us through that door. I won't reply to your confusion since it held a piece of mistaken assumption of what I believe. What have I chosen that is not right? You can cite the whole Bible but if you read it wrong whom are you really reading it for? You say I have not shown you how but have I not commented on each verse you reference? How have I not shown you how? I am speaking just letting the Holy Spirit flow out.
You said it infers information which isn't stated and that is not even hinted in the Bible? What is does it infer that isn't stated? What is not hinted in the Bible? You keep asking for where is it shown in the Bible. It is shown in the Bible. See John 1.12-13.
It says RECEIVE
First receive before believing. He gave power to these who believe.
Why these?
foreknew they would receive
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
You keep looking for evidence. But you should know it already in your heart and spirit. Why don't you is the question that I ponder? I am not so foolish to think Calvins worship a different god but I wish not to believe this. I wish to hope that it is a matter of pride only or calvinistic possession but the longer I speak to folks who hold this view, like conversations with Pentecostals, the more I am of the opinion since they simply can not understand what I am saying begins to lead me to the conclusion that indeed it is becoming no longer a condition of just some pride of salvation and pride of life and vanity of vanities but it is a matter of unsalvation because if you can not understand and it takes this much effort to get you to understand and you still can not understand then what are we really dealing with?
I should ever expect you to believe what I believe because as 1 Cor. 2.13 says
And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit.
