This is where I whip out my Gotcha question I save for all Arminians takethat :D, why does one choose life and another choose death?

and then you have to account for those who have never been presented with the Gospel (i.e. life long Muslims, heathens, etc.)

You do a pretty good job explaining your position and I like your answers to my questions.

Is Calvin's position based purely on logic? Well, Calvin borrowed heavily from Augustine who used scriptures to trounce the Pelagians and Semi-Pelagians.

Arminians are not the same as these groups in that they agree man has no ability to be saved without the grace of God, I believe you guys call it Prevenient grace. That God gives the individual the initial grace that enables them to be saved - here's where the cooperation on the part of the individual must come in. This becomes the crux of the matter and brings me back to takethat

So does everyone on this planet have the grace needed to make the right choice? And why do some choose life and others death?

I believe the Bible supports Calvinism, not in a straight forward matter so much but when breaking it down to the essentials and taking the Bible as a whole:

T otal Depravity of Man
U nconditional Election
L imited Atonement
I rresistable Grace
P ersevernce of the Saved

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The mercy of God is necessary not only when a person repents, but even to lead him to repent, Augustine