Originally Posted by Pilgrim
Tom,

IF you would take just a little time to actually look at the several references I provided in my reply, you would see that several different words are used to describe God's sovereign predestination of BOTH the elect and reprobate, e.g., predestinate, appoint, ordain, etc. It is thus indefensible to bifurcate the two terms which Warren does in order to try and escape the inescapable biblical truth that God predestinates, predetermines the end of those whom He has chosen to save and those whom He has chosen to damn. Playing word games can't obviate the fact that EVERYTHING has been foreordained by God. smile

Pilgrim

Forgive me if it looks like I never took the time to actually look at the references you provided. Truth be told, this is stretching the grey matter between my ears. blush
This has never deterred me from trying to learn, but unfortunately it sometimes causes others some frustration. moron

I understand this matter at least enough to believe in "double predestination". But, I am still trying to form coherent thoughts so I can at least hold my own with my friend.
What I hope to do, is take the applicable Scripture verses and exegete them in a manner that I think is coherent enough for my friend to think this matter through more fully. I am not saying that this will convince him, but knowing him and his integrity he will think the matter through.

By the way about my friend, he and I are basically in agreement over this matter and perhaps in a way it is a matter of semantics between us. However, he believes that calling this doctrine "double predestination" is not warranted from Scripture.
I hope you understand where I am coming from.
My friend and I usually meet over coffee to discuss things like theology and encourage each other in the faith.

Tom

Last edited by Tom; Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:25 AM.