You did not answer the apparent conflict that Jesus and the father are one and God is in Jesus yet Jesus seems to love everyone including the unsaved eg Mark 10: 21, and instructs us to do the same. And as we are one body His is still doing the same too. Yet your position seems to be God wont really love him/them as he/they i/are not/will not be saved.
"Are you suggesting that God is not subject to logic and thus He is illogical?"
Answer: I did not say God was illogical that is an unjustified extrapolation, I said your idea that if it says 'God hated someone then he must not love them' does not make sense to me. In my opinion God could previously have loved/still be loving/ will in the future love someone he currently hates.
I often tithe to many local and worldwide Christian causes. So , I can say I give to the body of Christ. It does not mean I tithe to everyone in it. When i give to an individual within a collective, i can say I give to the collective. With this in mind, you say::
"- John 6:33: "For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world." Does Jesus give life (not, ineffectually offer life, but, efficaciously give life) to all men without exception? If He does, all men without exception have eternal life"
Why does it apply to the whole of the 'kosmos', If it does apply to the whole of the individuals within the kosmos why does it mean they have all accepted this gift?
"I'm going to have to assume that you didn't read any of the articles I provided links for, correct?"
Answer: This is a strange assumption as i quote and reference the links so I must have read them! Im going to assume you did not read my answers then, correct?
I believe the bible describes God loving all mankind in John 3:16. You contradict this stance by narrowing down 'world/kosmos' to mean just the saved. 'Kosmos' is used 186 time in the Bible and I am struggling to find even concrete case that it applies to just the saved. There are, however, many examples of it clearly applying to just the unsaved and I want to discuss these with you further if you are up for it? Your decision to give 'kosmos' the meaning the elect seems, thus, unjustified. What are your reasons? Is it just John 1 29 and John 6 33 or are there others? See below.
I would like to answer some of your assertions with more reference to scripture . Can I have your permission to copy your THE ‘WORLD’ OF JOHN 3:16 DOES NOT MEAN ‘ALL MEN WITHOUT EXCEPTION’ and answer all your assertions-every single one-on a separate web page. I will be able to do this more elegantly with mouse over biblical references, to save it from becoming too bulky, which i cannot do here. It will be linked to from this thread and so not available to the public.
One further point is I believe that 10 x used expression. (so very important then ?), 'the Foundation of The World (kosmos)' refers to the the Abrahamic Covenant, so is consistent with your view that Kosmos can mean, at least in part, the elect (kosmos) '- they being able to come into existence by this covenant. Hence the Foundation of the World. Do you agree?
