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Yousay: I have already provided clear passages of Scripture that incontrovertibly show that God loves some whom He chose to save and that He hates others. Answer: no you have not, Every single passage you link is, I respectfully suggest. usually floored logic or it shows God hates some for their behavior not an underlying hatred no matter what the individual does. Is that how you want to portray God?. This is our fundamental difference, I believe that God has an underlying love for all (the kosmos) but can hate some of them for their behavior but still loves them. There is also a clear and obvious a lack of decency/love/fairness in the God you portray.
You say:He is angry with the wicked day and night and has prepared Hell for them, the Devil and the fallen angels. Answer: yes the key word being wicked i.e their behavior. He has an underlying merciful benevolent love at the same time. Wanting all to be saved
You say:Christ came and died for those whom the Father gave Him... NOT for all men, else salvation would be universal, which clearly Scripture teaches it is not. Answer: I respectfully suggest, floored logic again, Christ did enough, a finite amount, hence he said 'it is finished. There is revelation on this from modern day prophet Kat Kerr. 'Christ died for every sin that could possibly be committed'. So if Christ died for all sins does that mean I am saying all would be saved. NO, of course not, we still have to chose and some may not but he has done enough for all
John 6 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day I respectfully suggest, more floored logic: You suggest this means the Father does not draw all men. I think it does not embrace how many are drawn at all but all of those who are saved are drawn. It might be 1% of the total number of humans or 100%. You also reference joh 6 39-40, you seem to link 'those he predestined' to 'those he gave me'. I think there are several steps between these two groups, namely 'many are called few are chosen'. I think God gives absolutely everyone who lives up to an age of accountability multiple chances of salvation. Those he foreknew (absolutely everybody) he predsetined,and those ,he called. So everyone predestined to be called only, not saved.
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