Hi journeyman, thanks for the reply, and the prays. Appreciated and received and your love of the Lord shines through. I feel in the same team as you, though, strangely, I do not think you do of me?
I would like to go more reductionist in my approach to this thread

You say: 'position, which I think even you recognize at this point to be contrary to Scripture'
Answer: Really, do i?? could you please point out which bit of my position is contrary to scripture, just one bit and no more to start please.

thanks
alan.