Hi tulip not a daisy.

you say:alanparsonage, It is clear to me that you have not read the articles that Pilgrim so graciously posted in this lengthy thread. Please go back to each one and read every word. Look up all of the scriptures referenced and pray that God will enlighten you to the truth of His Word

i say: I read much of them and all the scripture quotes actually, I just disagree with the interpretations passionately (know means love ???!!!) and I can back up my disagreement with scripture. Many of the links were to a voluminous nmuber of articles and many were repetitive I did not read all of those.
I invite you to answer my last posting too btw on what 'foreknown' means.

Why do you think God enlightens you to the truth of his word and not me? are your herneneutics beyond failing? Should we not be iron sharpening iron?

Give me your best quote of scripture which I 'obviously must not have read'/understood-just one to start?