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It seems to me the Baptist much rquire some special pleading to make this erm fit into the Baptist view of baptism. Should we take the meaning from the NT only? Or from a more whole Bible approach? What are the meanings of this word?


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ENJOY <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cheers2.gif" alt="" /> (this is rather long so Pilgrim may desire to just make it an attachment or...., but IMHO it is very important and thus....)

It was E. Stauffer who first coined the term "the oikos formula" to describe the biblical phrase "he and his (whole) household." But it was Joachim Jeremias who painstakingly performed the laborious task of collating the instances of its occurrence in both testaments (see The Origins of Infant Baptism: A Further Study in Reply to Kurt Aland, translated by Dorothea M. Barton (Naperville, IL: Alec R. Allenson, 1963)). I have pulled out the most important quotes from Jeremias' book, and I have printed out the texts that Jeremias only cites by reference on pp. 19-21. (I have followed the NASB, making only slight changes where necessary; also where the NASB has "household," I have changed it to "house" simply for the sake of uniformity. It should be obvious, however, that "house" in all of these instances means "family" or "household.")

"This phrase corresponds to the Semitic manner of thinking and speaking, as regards its content (with its emphasis on the authority of the father of the family and the omission of the mother of the family).... Whoever takes the trouble to check the examples in their context will confirm the fact that repeatedly the presence of children and infants is specially mentioned (cf. Gen. 46:27 with vv. 5, 7; I Sam. 22:15f with v. 19; II Kings 9:8; Jer. 38:17 with v. 23), and at times their omission is particularly emphasized (Gen. 50:8; I Sam. 1:21f; cf. Ex. 12:37). ... not simply the children in addition to the adults, but the children quite especially, and not least any little children who might be present..." (Jeremias, pp. 20, 22).

"The phrase 'he and his (whole) house' denotes the complete family; normally husband, wife and children. In no single case is the term 'house' restricted to the adult members of the house, though on the other hand children alone may be mentioned when the whole house is meant. Whilst slaves are very often not reckoned as part of the 'house,' the inclusion of the children is taken for granted. Indeed, the Old Testament repeatedly lays special emphasis on the very smallest being reckoned in. Since the primitive Church takes the phrase over as a firmly established biblical expression, the statement 'it includes small children as well as others' applies to its employment in the New Testament as well" (Jeremias, p. 24).

<table style="filter:glow (color=#0000FF strength=2)">OLD TESTAMENT USAGE</table>
"I and my house"

Gen. 34:30 Then Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, "You have brought trouble on me, by making me odious among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites; and my men being few in number, they will gather together against me and attack me and I shall be destroyed, I and my house."

Josh. 24:15 "And if it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."

"You and your (whole) house"

Gen. 7:1 Then the LORD said to Noah, "Enter the ark, you and all your house; for you alone I have seen to be righteous before Me in this time."

Gen. 45:11 "There I will also provide for you, for there are still five years of famine to come, lest you and your house and all that you have be impoverished."

Deut. 14:26 "And you may spend the money for whatever your heart desires, for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your house."

Deut. 15:20 "You and your house shall eat it every year before the LORD your God in the place which the LORD chooses."

Deut. 26:11 And you and the Levite and the alien who is among you shall rejoice in all the good which the LORD your God has given you and your house.

Judg. 18:25 And the sons of Dan said to him, "Do not let your voice be heard among us, lest fierce men fall upon you and you lose your life, with the lives of your house."

1Sam. 25:6 And thus you shall say, "Have a long life, peace be to you, and peace be to your house, and peace be to all that you have."

2Kings 8:1 Now Elisha spoke to the woman whose son he had restored to life, saying, "Arise and go, you and your house, and sojourn wherever you can sojourn; for the LORD has called for a famine, and it shall even come on the land for seven years."

Jer. 38:17 Then Jeremiah said to Zedekiah, "Thus says the LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel, If you will indeed go out to the officers of the king of Babylon, then you will live, this city will not be burned with fire, and you and your house will survive."

"He and his (whole) house"

Gen. 12:17 But the LORD struck Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai, Abram's wife.

Gen. 18:19 "For I have chosen him, in order that he may command his children and his house after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing righteousness and justice; in order that the LORD may bring upon Abraham what He has spoken about him."

Gen. 36:6 Then Esau took his wives and his sons and his daughters and all his house, and his livestock and all his cattle and all his goods which he had acquired in the land of Canaan, and went to another land away from his brother Jacob.

Gen. 45:8 "Now, therefore, it was not you who sent me here, but God; and He has made me a father to Pharaoh and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt."

Gen. 50:7-8 So Joseph went up to bury his father, and with him went up all the servants of Pharaoh, the elders of his house and all the elders of the land of Egypt, and all the house of Joseph and his brothers and his father's house; they left only their little ones and their flocks and their herds in the land of Goshen.

Ex. 1:1 Now these are the names of the sons of Israel who came to Egypt with Jacob; they came each one with his house.

Lev. 16:6 Then Aaron shall offer the bull for the sin offering which is for himself, that he may make atonement for himself and for his house.

Lev. 16:11 Then Aaron shall offer the bull of the sin offering which is for himself, and make atonement for himself and for his house, and he shall slaughter the bull of the sin offering which is for himself.

Lev. 16:17 When he goes in to make atonement in the holy place, no one shall be in the tent of meeting until he comes out, that he may make atonement for himself and for his house and for all the assembly of Israel.

Deut. 6:22 Moreover, the LORD showed great and distressing signs and wonders before our eyes against Egypt, Pharaoh and all his house.

1Sam. 1:21 Then the man Elkanah went up with all his house to offer to the LORD the yearly sacrifice and pay his vow.

1Sam. 27:3 And David lived with Achish at Gath, he and his men, each with his house, even David with his two wives, Ahinoam the Jezreelitess, and Abigail the Carmelitess, Nabal's widow.

2Sam. 2:3 And David brought up his men who were with him, each with his house; and they lived in the cities of Hebron.

2Sam. 6:11 Thus the ark of the LORD remained in the house of Obed-edom the Gittite three months, and the LORD blessed Obed-edom and all his house.

2Sam. 6:21 So David said to Michal, "It was before the LORD, who chose me above your father and above all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel; therefore I will celebrate before the LORD."

2Sam. 9:9 Then the king called Saul's servant Ziba, and said to him, "All that belonged to Saul and to all his house I have given to your master's grandson."

2Sam. 15:16 So the king went out and all his house with him. But the king left ten concubines to keep the house.

2Sam. 19:41 And behold, all the men of Israel came to the king and said to the king, "Why had our brothers the men of Judah stolen you away, and brought the king and his house and all David's men with him over the Jordan?"

2Sam. 21:1 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David sought the presence of the LORD. And the LORD said, "It is for Saul and his bloody house, because he put the Gibeonites to death."

2Sam. 21:4 Then the Gibeonites said to him, "We have no concern of silver or gold with Saul or his house, nor is it for us to put any man to death in Israel." And he said, "I will do for you whatever you say."

1Kings 16:7 Moreover, the word of the LORD through the prophet Jehu the son of Hanani also came against Baasha and his house, both because of all the evil which he did in the sight of the LORD....

"You and your houses"

Gen. 45:18 and take your father and your houses and come to me, and I will give you the best of the land of Egypt and you shall eat the fat of the land.

Num. 18:31 And you may eat it anywhere, you and your houses, for it is your compensation in return for your service in the tent of meeting.

Deut. 12:7 There also you and your houses shall eat before the LORD your God, and rejoice in all your undertakings in which the LORD your God has blessed you.

"I and the (whole) house of my father"

Gen. 46:31 And Joseph said to his brothers and to his father's house, "I will go up and tell Pharaoh, and will say to him, 'My brothers and my father's house, who were in the land of Canaan, have come to me."

1Sam. 22:15 "Did I just begin to inquire of God for him today? Far be it from me! Do not let the king impute anything to his servant or to any of the house of my father, for your servant knows nothing at all of this whole affair."

2Sam. 14:9 And the woman of Tekoa said to the king, "O my lord, the king, the iniquity is on me and my father's house, but the king and his throne are guiltless."

1Kings 2:31 And the king said to him, "Do as he has spoken and fall upon him and bury him, that you may remove from me and from my father's house the blood which Joab shed without cause."

Neh. 1:6 Let Thine ear now be attentive and Thine eyes open to hear the prayer of Thy servant which I am praying before Thee now, day and night, on behalf of the sons of Israel Thy servants, confessing the sins of the sons of Israel which we have sinned against Thee; I and my father's house have sinned.

"You and the (whole) house of your father"

Num. 18:1 So the LORD said to Aaron, "You and your sons and your father's house with you shall bear the guilt in connection with the sanctuary; and you and your sons with you shall bear the guilt in connection with your priesthood."

Josh. 2:18 ... unless, when we come into the land, you tie this cord of scarlet thread in the window through which you let us down, and gather to yourself into the house your father and your mother and your brothers and all your father's house.

Judg. 14:15 Then it came about on the fourth day that they said to Samson's wife, "Entice your husband, that he may tell us the riddle, lest we burn you and your father's house with fire. Have you invited us to impoverish us? Is this not so?"

1Sam. 2:30 "Therefore the LORD God of Israel declares, 'I did indeed say that your house and the house of your father should walk before Me forever'; but now the LORD declares, 'Far be it from Me - for those who honor Me I will honor, and those who despise Me will be lightly esteemed.'"

1Sam. 2:31 Behold, the days are coming when I will break your strength and the strength of your father's house so that there will not be an old man in your house.

1Sam. 9:20 "And as for your donkeys which were lost three days ago, do not set your mind on them, for they have been found. And for whom is all that is desirable in Israel? Is it not for you and for all your father's house?"

1Sam. 22:16 But the king said, "You shall surely die, Ahimelech, you and all your father's house!"

1Kings 18:18 And he said, "I have not troubled Israel, but you and your father's house have, because you have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and you have followed the Baals."

Esth. 4:14 "For if you remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place and you and your father's house will perish. And who knows whether you have not attained royalty for such a time as this?"

Is. 7:17 "The LORD will bring on you, on your people, and on your father's house such days as have never come since the day that Ephraim separated from Judah, the king of Assyria."

Jer. 12:6 "For even your brothers and the house of your father, Even they have dealt treacherously with you, Even they have cried aloud after you. Do not believe them, although they may say nice things to you."

"He and the (whole) house of his father"

Gen. 46:31 see above

Gen. 47:12 And Joseph provided his father and his brothers and all his father's house with food, according to their little ones.

Gen. 50:8 ... and all the house of Joseph and his brothers and his father's house; they left only their little ones and their flocks and their herds in the land of Goshen.

Gen. 50:22 Now Joseph stayed in Egypt, he and his father's house, and Joseph lived one hundred and ten years.

Judg. 16:31 Then his brothers and all his father's house came down, took him, brought him up, and buried him between Zorah and Eshtaol in the tomb of Manoah his father.

1Sam. 22:1 So David departed from there and escaped to the cave of Adullam; and when his brothers and all his father's house heard of it, they went down there to him.

"She and her (father's) house"

Josh. 6:25 However, Rahab the harlot and her father's house and all she had, Joshua spared; and she has lived in the midst of Israel to this day, for she hid the messengers whom Joshua sent to spy out Jericho.

Judg. 15:6 (LXX) Then the Philistines said, "Who did this?" And they said, "Samson, the son-in-law of the Timnite, because he took his wife and gave her to his companion." So the Philistines came up and burned her father's house and her and her father with fire.

2Kings 8:2 So the woman arose and did according to the word of the man of God, and she went with her house and sojourned in the land of the Philistines seven years.

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"I have not found in secular Greek usage any examples of 'house' referring to 'adults exclusively.' As regards the phrase of the type 'N.N. and his house' no literary examples are found in the dictionaries in general use.... In view of the dissimilarities of the New Testament phrase 'he and his house' to secular Greek ... and its agreement with the Old Testament and LXX usage there can be no doubt that it represents a heritage from biblical language" (Jeremias, pp. 17, 21).

John 4:53 So the father knew that it was at that hour in which Jesus said to him, "Your son lives"; and he himself believed, and his whole house.

Acts 10:2 ... a devout man, and one who feared God with all his house, and gave many alms to the Jewish people, and prayed to God continually.

*Acts 11:14-18 "And [Cornelius] reported to us how he had seen the angel standing in his house, and saying, 'Send to Joppa, and have Simon, who is also called Peter, brought here; and he shall speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your house.' And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, just as He did upon us at the beginning. And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, 'John baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' If God therefore gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?"

[Acts 10:47-48 Then Peter answered, "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?" And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.]

*Acts 16:14-15 And a certain woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God, was listening; and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul. And when she and her house had been baptized, she urged us, saying, "If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house and stay." And she prevailed upon us.

*Acts 16:31-34 And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved, you and your house." And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house. And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his house. And he brought them into his house and set food before them, and rejoiced greatly, having believed in God with his whole house.

*Acts 18:8 And Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, believed in the Lord with all his house, and many of the Corinthians when they heard were believing and being baptized.

Further instances of household salvation or conversion (although the complete oikos formula itself is not present, either the term oikos or the concept itself is):

Matt. 10:12-14 And as you enter the house, give it your greeting. And if the house is worthy, let your greeting of peace come upon it; but if it is not worthy, let your greeting of peace return to you. And whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake off the dust of your feet.

Luke 19:9 And Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house, because he, too, is a son of Abraham."

Acts 2:38-39 And Peter said to them, "Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and your children, and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God shall call to Himself."

*1Cor. 1:16 Now I did baptize also the house of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other.

2Tim. 1:16 The Lord grant mercy to the house of Onesiphorus for he often refreshed me, and was not ashamed of my chains.

Heb. 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his house, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

*All five [six, if Gaius is included] recorded instances of household baptism in NT:

  • 1. The household of Cornelius (Acts 10:44-48; 11:13-18)
  • 2. The household of Lydia (Acts 16:13-15)
  • 3. The household of the Philippian jailor (Acts 16:30-34)
  • 4. The household of Crispus (Acts 18:8; 1Cor. 1:14)
  • 5. The household of Stephanus (1Cor. 1:16)
  • 6. The household of Gaius (1Cor. 1:14 - by implication)
"The relevant datum is not the number of baptisms that occurred but the number of occurrences that were recorded. Excluding the baptism of John and of Jesus' disciples, this latter count is a modest twelve. That three or perhaps four of these involved 'households' shows that the practice of baptizing households must have been rather frequent in apostolic times; and it is indeed true that many of those households must have included children and infants" (Baptist theologian, Paul K. Jewett, Infant Baptism and the Covenant of Grace (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1978), p. 48). Jewett reckons "three or perhaps four" because he ignores the conversion/baptism of the households of Crispus and Gaius, and discounts that of the household of Cornelius.

"Not that there were infants and small children in each case of recorded household baptism; but under no circumstance could Luke have used the 'household formula' had he wished to say that only adults were baptized" (Jewett, correctly summarizing the Stauffer-Jeremias argument, p. 52).

"In the New Testament passages concerning the salvation, conversion, or baptism of a house the children of every age must be included, firstly because ... 'house' can be supplemented by 'all, whole' or replaced by 'all who are his, with-all-the-house;' secondly because in several passages the customary formula 'he and his (whole) house' is found, which in the Old Testament usage ... includes children, in fact has them particularly in view" (Jeremias, p. 16).


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Household Baptisms, the “Oikos” Formula and Infant Baptism

In all honesty, this chapter that Malone writes against Jeremias is a waste of ink. The reason: he only deals with Jeremias first work and sides with Aland, rather than taking up Jeremias’ second work that refutes Aland. Since Malone has not done his homework here and is arguing without having all the facts, I will simply resort to a couple of points about household baptisms.

First, if Malone is right, and individualism replaces the “family”, then we ought not, in any capacity, to see covenant language surrounding baptism anywhere in the New Testament. This, though, is exactly what we find. He first mentioned Acts 2 and makes only one mention for it on page 130, and then treats it after the household baptisms on pages 137-141. The summary of his argument is that “those that are afar off” mean that Gentile believers, and others afar off, will be called into the covenant and regenerated. The children, or the promise to the children is still dependent on Malone’s view of “those who had received his word.” In other words, even though Peter was talking to cognitive Jewish adults, the idea applies to children that later, when they are not children anymore (? – adults later) will hear the word and believe too.

These men, from all over the land, were hearing the glory of God in their own language. They are Jews, scattered abroad because of exile, and since they have been captured and reprogrammed by the Roman oppression, they all have their own language from different areas. Remember, the people of Israel have been scattered all over. Here, together, we see the forming of God’s people being brought back into the fold. The text says, “Men of Israel…” Then Peter goes on, “But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy. I will show wonders in heaven above And signs in the earth beneath: Blood and fire and vapor of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD. And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the LORD Shall be saved.'“ Prophetic passages can be tricky. We should turn to Joel to see what Joel actually says. Joel 2:28-32, “And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions. And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days. “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: Blood and fire and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD. And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the LORD Shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance, As the LORD has said, Among the remnant whom the LORD calls.” What is different? Peter does not quote the last part of the verse 32. He leaves it off. Why? Let me ask another question first; who is this prophecy about? Gentiles? It says in Joel 2:27, in context, “Then you shall know that I am in the midst of Israel: I am the LORD your God And there is no other. My people shall never be put to shame.” This applies to Israel then. Peter is preaching to Jews. He quotes the fulfilled passage. Now might I ask, does this passage ring with covenant ideas or individualistic ideas? Are we talking about family here, or individual people? It says “sons and daughters.” Is there anything about menservants and the like? Yes – even menservants, maidservants, old men and young men. Sounds like everyone in the household is being covered here. Ok so far. Let’s see what else Peter says. He quotes David’s Psalm about Jesus when He is entombed. He will not see corruption. He did not see corruption. Jesus was raised from the dead. He directs this to whom? It says in Acts 2:36, “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” It is directed to Israel. Professor: Why should the house of Israel know this? I thought Peter, at this point, would at least have his theology straight and think that individuals should be addressed, not Israel. Baptists say that changes when Peter quotes verses 37-38, “Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” See, Peter says they have to repent, and then be baptized! The covenant seems to change. It is now individual. But we should ask a few simple questions, “Do you think Abraham needed to believe in the promises as an adult?” Yes. “After he believed did he tell Isaac that he needed to believe as well?” Yes. Did he circumcise Isaac before or after he explained that? Before. Abraham believed. Isaac was circumcised and later believed. Adults pricked in this way, seeing they are already adults, should repent and be baptized. Then the verse, “For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call,” is different than Baptists would say. But Joel is the one who helps us with understanding this. Is this covenantal language or not? It is, very much so. What is Peter saying here? He is including the believers, and their children in the covenant. The promise is actually for them. But wait! It also says “and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.” Does that mean “everyone” else who will be saved? How could Peter be talking covenantally? Baptists often think that at this point the Paedo-Baptist argument falls apart because those who “are far off” are also the unsaved Gentiles who will come into the fold later. But we ask, “Does Peter believe that the Gentiles are included in the Covenant at this point in time?” the answer is No. That will not happen until Acts 10. Read the verse that Joel quoted but Peter left out earlier. “For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance, As the LORD has said, Among the remnant whom the LORD calls.” Peter does actually quote this but later in his message. He leaves the phrase “whom the Lord calls” off until he “clinches” his argument with it about Jesus being raised from the dead. In other words, it looks as though he is “filling in the blanks” to Joel’s prophecy and adds a bit more commentary on what happened. He makes things more clear by doing this in his finely interlaced sermon. Then he says “as many as the Lord will call.” So Peter preaches to Jews and it is smothered in covenant language. Children are referenced, and “as many as the Lord calls” is referring to Jews. What Jews? Jews not present. Peter is preaching to the scattered people of God. God is calling the remnant back as Joel prophesied – His chosen people – people of the covenant. Yes, later, Gentiles are seen as those grafted in. Gentiles, according to Romans 11, are grafted into the same trunk that the Jewish branches were broken off. Malone, at this point, simply did not do his homework.

Back to the households, the issue here is not whether infants are in the households. Whichever way a person would argue is relevant upon one simple point – the term “households” is not an individualistic term. It is covenantal term. Malone is so taken up in thinking that he can argue infants out of the “oikos” formula, that he forgets the formula itself, the term itself, is family oriented. This denies, completely his thesis. Luke, the precise historian, is very precise with his wording. That is why there is a slight variation at to the Greek phrasing in the Jailer’s home as there is in Lydia’s home which demonstrates some important differences. Malone does not seek any of this out. His most strained exegesis is the Jailer’s house in which “he believes” the whole house believed, thought he text says that the jailer believed and the house rejoiced in his new faith, though they too were baptized. Ultimately, Malone rests on inductive reasoning for his conclusions and misses the covenant terminology of the family.

Taken from Rejection of Baptism of Disciples Alone


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*Acts 11:14-18... "he shall speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your house."

So Cornelius' infant children were saved that day? How- did they understand and believe? Or was it by proxy? Or were they all saved (Cornelius included) just by the very fact they listened to the words? (as an unqualified reading of the text might suggest).


*Acts 16:31-34 And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved, you and your house." And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house. And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his house. And he brought them into his house and set food before them, and rejoiced greatly, having believed in God with his whole house.

So "all his household," including infants, were saved (v. 31) by believing (v. 34)? News to me.

I won't bother to quote the rest of the verses supplied above, because the same reasoning applies: if we're going to be consistent, on a purely linguistic level if we suppose that infants were baptized we must suppose they believed and were saved as well.


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What assures you the man was actually saved?


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Luke tells us. You can read that for youself. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Of course. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Well, that's it? No rebuttal from either of you?


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Why? I believe your premise to be false. However, since you need something.......

In Acts 16:31-34 the Greek has singular verbs, not plural, to describe the action of believing. The text does not say, the Jailer "and" kai his household "believed" plural. Thus, the notion that Luke nuanced the text to indicate the equal action of each member in believing, is incorrect and not provable linguistically. Instead, this text teaches what any OT believer might have expected: the Jailer, [the household head], "rejoiced singular greatly, with all his house panoikei, having believed pepisteukos, participle, singular) in God" (ASV). However, baptism was administered to each member of the Jailer's household: "he was baptized, he and all his household" [literally, those of his all]. Covenant membership has always included "you and your children" and covenant content is most fundamentally that the Lord is "God to you and your descendants" (Gen 17:7, Deut 7:9, 30:6, 1Ch 16:15, Psa 103:17, 105:8). (Notes from Gregg Strawbridge lectures). You can read The Case for Covenantal Infant Baptism by Gregg Strawbridge or access some of his material at Reformation Resources.

The notion that you put forth, that Luke gives us assurance of the salvation of the jailer, isn't found in the text, either.


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