The Highway Forums General Discussion Open Forum PCUSA falls further into apostasy!

There is even "talk" in the PCA about doing the same!!!!

There can be no doubt that Christianity represents the greatest obstacle to the normalization of homosexual behavior. It cannot be otherwise, because of the clear biblical teachings concerning the inherent sinfulness of homosexuality in all forms, and the normativity of heterosexual marriage. In order to counter this obstacle, Kirk and Madsen advised gays to "use talk to muddy the moral waters, that is, to undercut the rationalizations that 'justify' religious bigotry and to jam some of its psychic rewards." How can this be done? "This entails publicizing support by moderate churches and raising serious theological objections to conservative biblical teachings. It also means exposing the inconsistency and hatred underlying antigay doctrines."

Conservative churches, defined by the authors as "homohating" are portrayed as "antiquated backwaters, badly out of step with the times and with the latest findings of psychology."

A quick review of the last 15 years demonstrates the incredible effectiveness of this public relations advice. The agenda set out by Kirk and Madsen led to nothing less than social transformation. By portraying themselves as mainstream Americans seeking nothing but liberty and self-fulfillment, homosexuals redefined the moral equation. Issues of right and wrong were isolated as outdated, repressive, and culturally embarrassing. Instead, the assertion of "rights" became the hallmark of the public relations strategy.

Assembly votes to keep Authoritative Interpretation

By John H. Adams
The Layman Online
Friday, July 2, 2004
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2004 General Assembly
Richmond, Virginia
June 26-July 3, 2004
General Assembly news index
RICHMOND, Va. – The national governing body of the Presbyterian Church (USA) decided Friday evening to continue prohibiting the ordination of self-acknowledged, unrepentant homosexuals – at least for two years.

The commissioners to the 216th General Assembly, on the next to the last day of their meeting in this historic town that was the capital of the South during the Civil War, voted 297 to 218 to do nothing to dismantle the "fidelity/chastity" ordination standard in the denomination's constitution or its theological underpinnings.

Precisely, the vote was an affirmation of a minority report signed by 18 members of the assembly's Committee on Church Orders and Ministry.
The committee's majority had proposed that the commissioners nullify the status the Authoritative Interpretations of 1978 and 1979, which spelled out the Biblical basis for what later became the ordination law, G-6.0106b in the Book of Order.

In a series of votes, the commissioners rejected the committee's recommendation and adopted the minority report, which said the committee's recommendation would "significantly disturb the peace of the church, undermining the trust of our members at the very time when it is needed."

Instead, the minority report called for a continuing dialogue and commended the work of the Theological Task Force on Peace, Unity and Purity, which is charged with providing "discernment" on the issue. The task force will make its final report to the 217th General Assembly when it meets in Birmingham, Ala., in 2006.

The commissioners decided not to consider any of the overtures calling for repeal of G-6.0106b. Instead, their action in voting against the committee's recommendation covered all of the five overtures opposing the prohibition against ordaining practicing homosexuals.

Immediately after the vote Friday night, Moderator Rick Ufford-Chase met for prayer with advocates of changing the denomination's ordination standard. He announced before the vote that he would meet with Presbyterians on the losing side of the issue – no matter which side that was.

"Either way the debate goes, some of us are going to be deeply disappointed," he said. "As we finish, I would like to gather with those of you who are likely to be disappointed for a time of prayer. This is not a time of celebration, but rather a time to support one another."

The 259-255 vote put a minority report from Schaefer's committee before the assembly, supplanting the majority report that had recommended relaxing the gay ordination ban. Delegates then voted 297-218 to adopt the minority report, the only proposal before them.

Also on Friday, Presbyterians overwhelmingly elected the Rev. Clifton Kirkpatrick as "stated clerk" — the chief executive at the church's Louisville, Ky., headquarters.

Kirkpatrick garnered 349 votes, 66 percent of the total, to defeat three conservatives who considered him too lax on enforcement of the church's gay leadership ban. Kirkpatrick was backed by the assembly's nominating committee.