I didn't say guns should be outlawed. I said, "I disagree with those political views which want to eliminate all guns.
I read your comment correctly, I was just agreeing with you about the danger of disarming Americans. I'm sorry about the confusion.
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If Hillary was in control what do you think she'd do with guns?
There is no doubt in my mind that if she had the chance and circumstances were right, she would hypocritically use guns and the power of the military to force her (ultra liberal and feminist) will upon a disarmed "free" people. I admit that at the present time this chance is slight, but who's to say about the future?
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Woe to the women who sew magic charms on their sleeves and make veils for the heads of people of every height to hunt souls. Will you hunt the souls of My people and keep yourselves alive? And will you profane Me among My people for handfuls of barley and pieces of bread, killing people who should not die, and keeping people alive who should not live, by your lying to My people who listen to lies? (Eze. 13:18,19)
Denny
Romans 3:22-24
Denny
Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life." [John 6:68]
I must add that I almost shot my cousin with a shotgun while hunting at age fourteen. It just went off! I also have been shot the bullet went in my shoulder and exited out of the middle of my back.
J_Edwards said: With the way walls are made today, the 44 (w/ full loads) has a little too much over-penetration for my comfort. Now I did once own a 2-1/2 44 mag which was magnaported and loaded with only 44 special rounds--which seemed to be a very good load. It was still too heavy for everyday carry though.
I loved my Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag. (7 1/2" barrel). I made my own "hot loads" for it and it would go through just about anything. But for home protection, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater by dismissing a 44 mag. as a viable weapon. What I did was load it with "shot shells". Speer sold the kits for 44 mag., 357 and 38 cal. The spread pattern is approximately 1 inch per foot. Not only will this setup serve as a definite deterrent to an intruder, it has the added advantage of being able to hit something quite easily during a nervous altercation. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/evilgrin.gif" alt="" />
J_Edwards said: With the way walls are made today, the 44 (w/ full loads) has a little too much over-penetration for my comfort. Now I did once own a 2-1/2 44 mag which was magnaported and loaded with only 44 special rounds--which seemed to be a very good load. It was still too heavy for everyday carry though.
I loved my Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag. (7 1/2" barrel). I made my own "hot loads" for it and it would go through just about anything. But for home protection, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater by dismissing a 44 mag. as a viable weapon. What I did was load it with "shot shells". Speer sold the kits for 44 mag., 357 and 38 cal. The spread pattern is approximately 1 inch per foot. Not only will this setup serve as a definite deterrent to an intruder, it has the added advantage of being able to hit something quite easily during a nervous altercation. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/evilgrin.gif" alt="" />
Well that does sound interesting and it does do away with over-penetration, however I still like my 'ol .45 as my favorite. Even with hot loads over penetration is normally not a factor and plus it is my favorite all time round for carry for many years .... It is fast at reloading and recoil in mine is not a factor for the 2nd shot (or more if needed).... The best home defense weapon is the one that you are most familiar with--or the closest one to ya in a pinch.
David W. said: How strict are the gun ownership laws in Canada?
Well, every gun must be "registered" with the Federal Government (one of the most silly and mismanaged bungles to have come along in years). Without a registration card you cannot even buy ammunition. Handguns are a totally different "animal". The laws governing ownership and use of handguns is extremely restrictive. For example, if you have a target pistol and belong to a sanctioned gun club, you must transport the weapon, unloaded, in a locked case in an inaccessible area of the vehicle, e.g., in the trunk.
For those reasons alone I sold all my rifles and handguns before moving here; broke my heart as I had some very nice collectibles as well as some I had owned for many years.
As far as having a gun for home protection, ummmmmmm <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratchchin.gif" alt="" /> . . . let's put it this way... if a thief breaks into your home and your dachshund corners the creep and bites his leg, you are liable to a hefty lawsuit and there is a good possibility your dog will be taken away and put down by the SPCA. You can imagine the potential penalty for shooting some burglar. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> However, in such circumstances, I feel my right to privacy and personal safety override the pacifist whims of radical left-wingers. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/evilgrin.gif" alt="" />
There is no doubt in my mind that if she had the chance and circumstances were right, she would hypocritically use guns and the power of the military to force her (ultra liberal and feminist) will upon a disarmed "free" people. I admit that at the present time this chance is slight, but who's to say about the future?
<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/idea.gif" alt="" /> Well... Denny, maybe we could get Hillary to go on a little hunting trip with our Vice President.
I believe the Second Ammendment to our Constitution "The Right To Bear Arms" is an important freedom. Anyone who would take away that freedom (because of current lawlessness) doesn't realize why we have it.
Here are some quotes which explain why we have this law in the first place...
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henry Lee, Virginia delegate to the Continental Congress, initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights.)
"The great object is that every man be armed . . . Everyone who is able may have a gun." (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution.)
"The advantage of being armed . . . the Americans possess over the people of all other nations . . . Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several Kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in his Federalist Paper No. 46.)
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." (Second Amendment to the Constitution.)
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It's amazing how much hostility has been shown regarding the Second Amendment by our courts, legislatures, and commentators. James Madison would be startled to hear that his recognition of a right to keep and bear arms, which passed the House by a voice vote without objection and hardly a debate, has since been construed in but a single, and most ambiguous Supreme Court decision, whereas his proposals for freedom of religion, which he made reluctantly out of fear that they would be rejected or narrowed beyond use, and those for freedom of assembly, which passed only after a lengthy and bitter debate, are the subject of scores of detailed and favorable decisions. Thomas Jefferson, who kept a veritable armory of pistols, rifles and shotguns at Monticello, and advised his nephew to forsake other sports in favor of hunting, would be astounded to hear supposed civil libertarians claim firearm ownership should be restricted. Samuel Adams, a handgun owner who pressed for an amendment stating that the "Constitution shall never be construed . . . to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms," would be shocked to hear that his native state today imposes a year's sentence, without probation or parole, for carrying a firearm without a police permit.
Let's face it if peace loving citizens were not given the freedom to bear arms then only the law breakers would have them.
Wes
When I survey the wondrous cross on which the Prince of Glory died, my richest gain I count but loss and pour contempt on all my pride. - Isaac Watts
I believe the Second Ammendment to our Constitution "The Right To Bear Arms" is an important freedom. Anyone who would take away that freedom (because of current lawlessness) doesn't realize why we have it.
Here are some quotes which explain why we have this law in the first place...
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henry Lee, Virginia delegate to the Continental Congress, initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights.)
"The great object is that every man be armed . . . Everyone who is able may have a gun." (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution.)
"The advantage of being armed . . . the Americans possess over the people of all other nations . . . Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several Kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in his Federalist Paper No. 46.)
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." (Second Amendment to the Constitution.)
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It's amazing how much hostility has been shown regarding the Second Amendment by our courts, legislatures, and commentators. James Madison would be startled to hear that his recognition of a right to keep and bear arms, which passed the House by a voice vote without objection and hardly a debate, has since been construed in but a single, and most ambiguous Supreme Court decision, whereas his proposals for freedom of religion, which he made reluctantly out of fear that they would be rejected or narrowed beyond use, and those for freedom of assembly, which passed only after a lengthy and bitter debate, are the subject of scores of detailed and favorable decisions. Thomas Jefferson, who kept a veritable armory of pistols, rifles and shotguns at Monticello, and advised his nephew to forsake other sports in favor of hunting, would be astounded to hear supposed civil libertarians claim firearm ownership should be restricted. Samuel Adams, a handgun owner who pressed for an amendment stating that the "Constitution shall never be construed . . . to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms," would be shocked to hear that his native state today imposes a year's sentence, without probation or parole, for carrying a firearm without a police permit.
Let's face it if peace loving citizens were not given the freedom to bear arms then only the law breakers would have them.
Wes
Or we would have a government that would not be afraid to take away our more of our freedoms.
chestnutmare said: Archery is great but when it comes to self-defense, I do believe that I would rather have a gun tucked away under my pillow or in my purse than try to conceal a bow. Don't you agree? Sort of hard to conceal a bow or to draw one quickly should someone break in during the night. Could be easier to beat the guy over the head with the bow than to draw it in a surprise attack.
But then again think about it if your walking down the street with a bow on your shoulder (strung of course) and a quiver of arrows (and I don't mean children <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />) are you really going to experience a "surprise attack"? Wouldn't the presence of the weapon serve as a deterrent to those that would attack an otherwise unarmed appearing individual?
Peter
If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself. Augustine of Hippo
Well... Denny, maybe we could get Hillary to go on a little hunting trip with our Vice President
Maybe, but I don't think Hillary would miss.
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"I have to confess that it's crossed my mind that you could not be a Republican and a Christian." - Hillary Clinton in the Richmond Times-Dispatch, 1997
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"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president" -- Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpeonaed documents.
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"If you want to remain on this detail, get your a** over here and grab those bags." (To an agent who wanted to keep his hands free in case of a security threat.)
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"I am and always have been pro-choice, and that is not a right that any of us should take for granted. There are a number of forces at work in our society that would take back the clock an undermine a woman's right to choose and we must remain vigilant." Hillary Clinton
See what I mean?
Denny
Romans 3:22-24
Denny
Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life." [John 6:68]
But then again think about it if your walking down the street with a bow on your shoulder (strung of course) and a quiver of arrows (and I don't mean children ) are you really going to experience a "surprise attack"? Wouldn't the presence of the weapon serve as a deterrent to those that would attack an otherwise unarmed appearing individual?
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Well, every gun must be "registered" with the Federal Government (one of the most silly and mismanaged bungles to have come along in years). Without a registration card you cannot even buy ammunition. Handguns are a totally different "animal". The laws governing ownership and use of handguns is extremely restrictive. For example, if you have a target pistol and belong to a sanctioned gun club, you must transport the weapon, unloaded, in a locked case in an inaccessible area of the vehicle, e.g., in the trunk.
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