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Re: Double predestination [Re: J_Edwards] #29745
Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:34 PM
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If you carefully read my reply, I have already answered you bash.


Acts 20: 24 However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace.
Re: Double predestination [Re: Peter] #29746
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repent believe the true gospel and come into a true knowledge of the faith


Do you know the true gospel? What is it I pray thee? Maybe I am one of Gods elect, and He may use you to tell me the Gospel! What is it? Please explain it bow


Acts 20: 24 However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace.
Re: Double predestination [Re: beloved57] #29747
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If you carefully read my reply, I have already answered you bash.


You HAVE NOT answered the questions below. PLEASE answer the question(s). Why are you avoiding the answer? Are you scared that you have been caught in your heresy?

Sin cannot exist without a sinner. You state that the first sinner was Satan. Was Satan created prior to God creating sin "in your way of thinking"?


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Re: Double predestination [Re: beloved57] #29748
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They thought the same thing about Paul and the other people of God..

Hmmmmm, now you add arrogance to the long list of things which are unbecoming to your profession. You are hardly one to be compared to the Apostle Paul nor any others I have ever read or known who were of the people of God. Perhaps comparing yourself to Arius or Marcion would have been more accurate. [Linked Image]


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Re: Double predestination [Re: J_Edwards] #29749
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It seems as though you can`t read, please don`t ask me that question again, I have already answered it, in an above post. What am I to be scared of, I have clearly set forth my position...


Acts 20: 24 However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace.
Re: Double predestination [Re: beloved57] #29750
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I can only assume then you are scared to make a straight answer because you realize that your heresy has been exposed for the 100th or so time. Goodbye B57, [Linked Image]


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Re: Double predestination [Re: beloved57] #29751
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The issue is not how God created sin , But that he did create it for His purpose and His pleasure!


Beloved57,

Just put it this way in your mind. Evil is not a created thing. Evil is not a substance. Evil is not an entity. Evil is not a being. Evil is not a force. Evil is not some floating spirit. Evil is a lack of moral perfection. God created absolute perfection. Wherever a lack of that exists, sin exists. And that cannot exist in the nature of God or in anything that God makes. Evil comes into existence when God's creatures fall short of the standard of moral perfection.

Now, let's take it a step futher. God did not create evil. He did not author evil. He did not make evil. But listen carefully, very important: God did decree to use evil as a part of his eternal plan, okay? He will not be culpable for it. He did not bring it into existence. That would be impossible because God is good, all good and only good. Therefore, whatever comes out of Him is all good and only good. God can, therefore, produce only good. And what is evil but the absence of that good, which is a choice made by the reasonings based upon the information revealed to his creatures? But, God was not caught off guard. In fact, God decreed that evil would be part of his plan. He is not the creator of evil, and He is not the cause of evil. He did not bring evil into existence in a cosmic sense, and he did not and does not bring evil into existence in a personal sense. He is not the cause of sin, nor is he the cause of sins in the lives of people. But he does use it for his purposes. And that's why in Isaiah 45:7 -- just write this down; you may run across it. It says God creates "calamity." Some older translations say He "creates evil." That is a really poor translation, and not true. God does create "calamity." And if you read the context of Isaiah 45:7, it is clear that judgment is the issue. God does not create evil, but God does bring judgment on evil, creating therefore the calamity by which evil is judged. Now, listen carefully: Scripture written by God always assigns the guilt and responsibility for all sin to creatures; never to God. Never to God.

The above two paragraphs are a small portion of a sermon preached by John MacArthur entitled The Origin of Evil. The preaching of God's Word is a means of grace. May this message be used of God to shed light on your path today.


God did not create sin! bash


Wes


When I survey the wondrous cross on which the Prince of Glory died, my richest gain I count but loss and pour contempt on all my pride. - Isaac Watts
Re: Double predestination [Re: beloved57] #29752
Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:36 AM
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Dearly beloved57,

Ignorance is not a crime, so I guess you're free to go.

I do have one last comment. B-52, if you do not know that evil and sin fester and erupt from the creature Alone you will never know or appreciate what unmerited Grace truly is.

Denny

Romans 3:22-24


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Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life." [John 6:68]
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