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After reading the R.C. Sproul Jr. decision in this thread https://www.the-highway.com/forum/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=openI realized that I may not know exactly what all paeodo-communion entails. I guess I've never been in a church that practiced it, so when I heard the word I always thought of much younger children than what seems to be the case in the Sproul document. For example, when one says paedo-baptism, I usually think of infants, or at least very very young children. Could someone explain to me a little more exactly what is meant by paedo-communion? How does one decide at what age a child's profession of faith is genuine or not? Do churches that don't practice paedo-communion have an age limit in their books of order or is it taken on a case-by-case basis? Thanks, John
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John asks,
I realized that I may not know exactly what all paeodo-communion entails. I guess I've never been in a church that practiced it, so when I heard the word I always thought of much younger children than what seems to be the case in the Sproul document. For example, when one says paedo-baptism, I usually think of infants, or at least very very young children. Here is the pro-side of it: paedocommunion.com. As far as age they argue from many different perspectives, from infant to age 13. Many of the arguments lack historical accuracy though. One assumption is that the passover meal was for infants. Yet this would have been impossible as a passover meal would include roast lamb, bitter herbs, and unleavened bread (Exodus 12:8). Not a Gerber baby food meal for sure. Calvin writes, Furthermore, they object that there is no more reason to administer baptism to infants than the Lord’s supper, which is not permitted to them. As if Scripture did not mark a wide difference in every respect! This permission was indeed commonly given in the ancient church, as is clear from Cyprian and Augustine, but the custom has deservedly fallen into disuse. For if we consider the peculiar character of baptism, surely it is an entrance and a sort of initiation into the church, through which we are numbered among God’s people: a sign of our spiritual regeneration, through which we are reborn as children of God. On the other hand, the Supper is given to older persons who, having passed tender infancy, can now take solid food.
This distinction is very clearly shown in Scripture. For with respect to baptism, the Lord there sets no definite age. But he does not similarly hold forth the Supper for all to partake of, but only for those who are capable of discerning the body and blood of the Lord, of examining their own conscience, of proclaiming the Lord’s death, and of considering its power. Do we wish anything plainer than the apostle’s teaching when he exhorts each man to prove and search himself, then to eat of this bread and drink of this cup [1Cor. 11:28]? Self-examination ought, therefore, to come first, and it is vain to expect this of infants. Again: “He who eats unworthily eats and drinks condemnation for himself, not discerning the body of the Lord” [1 Cor. 11:29]. If only those who know how to distinguish rightly the holiness of Christ’s body are able to participate worthily, why should we offer poison instead of life-giving food to our tender children? What is that command of the Lord: “Do this in remembrance of me” [Luke 22:19; 1 Cor. 11:25]? What is that other command which the apostle derives from it: “As often as you eat this bread, you will proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes” [1 Cor. 11:26]? What remembrance of this thing, I ask, shall we require of infants when they have never grasped it? What preaching of the cross of Christ, the force and benefit of which their minds have not yet comprehended? None of these things is prescribed in baptism. Accordingly, there is a very great difference between these two signs, as we have noted in like sign also under the Old Testament. Circumcision, which is known to correspond to our baptism, had been appointed for infants [Gen. 17:12]. But the Passover, the place of which has been taken by the Supper, did not admit all guests indiscriminately, but was duly eaten only by those who were old enough to be able to inquire into its meaning [Ex. 12:26]. If these men had a particle of sound brain left, would they be blind to a thing so clear and obvious?
Institutes of the Christian Religion, (2:1353; 4:16:30). However, it was practiced early on in the OT by children of age 13. Hendriksen writes: Jewish sources reveal no unanimity with respect to the exact age when a boy became a ‘bar mitzvah’ (son of the law), that is, when he attained the age of maturity and responsibility with respect to the keeping of God’s commandments. The prevailing opinion may have been that at the age of 13 a boy should fully shoulder that responsibility but that in order to become prepared to do this it would be wise for the parents to take him along to the temple even earlier. We know at least that when Jesus became 12 years of age Joseph and Mary took him along to Jerusalem in order to attend the Passover festival. Though it is not stated in so many words that this was the first time he went along, is not this a reasonable inference?
The Gospel of Luke, (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1978). The Hebrew Talmud (app. 400 B.C. to A.D. 200) says that males had most of their catechization at age 12 because they were soon to be regarded as men and admitted to the Passover table at 13 years of age: ‘One trains the children a year or two before [age 13], in order that they may become used to religious observances’ (M. Yom 8:4). These occurred soon after these "boys" had become ‘Sons of the Law’ when turning age 13. According to the Talmud after being catechized, and on the attainment of their manhood at puberty, one says to his sons: “I am ready to slaughter the Passover for you who shall [now] first go up to Jerusalem”’ [Pes. 7:6; 8:1-7] (Francis Nigel Lee, Paedocommunionism Versus Protestantism: How Trendy Theologisers Have Retreated from the Reformation). John asks,
How does one decide at what age a child's profession of faith is genuine or not? Do churches that don't practice paedo-communion have an age limit in their books of order or is it taken on a case-by-case basis? As we have already seen from Calvin, age is not really the issue. 1 Corinthians 11:17-34 is essential for determining the truth in the matter. Paul presents a principle that Christians must examine themselves before taking the Lord's supper (v. 28). Christ's body and blood are present in the sacramental meal (v. 24, i.e. spiritually), and so those who partake of the Supper in an unworthy manner partake of Christ—that is His judgment (v. 27)— temporal judgment, or even death (v. 30). Participants in the Supper must judge themselves in order to avoid discipline (v. 31).
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I had brought this up a not too long ago in the thread titled communion and infants.After Joe’s reply, it made very good sense to me in the differences between paedobaptism and paedocommunion. The main focus I believe in baptism is the introduction of one into the family of God. Whether it be infant or adult. In the adult’s case, there is a profession of faith, but I believe that the sign and seal of their covenant relationship is what is the main focus in baptism. But because we are told to “examine ourselves” during communion, I believe that through this sacrament we need to focus more on the continuance and commitment of our faith. This is a visible sign of our communion with Christ and our standing in His church. So I have to agree in the importance of taking communion seriously in the area of our “examining” ourselves. I believe that when a church takes this sacrament seriously and teaches its members to as such, then you will have a church that takes sanctification seriously. Now that I belong to a church that in my opinion rightly practices communion, I have grown much more in my faith through a much more meaningful communion practice. I have also focused more on teaching my daughter the significance of examining herself in preparing her to truly understand what communion is all about. This has made me think of how our marriages are a mirror of the church. When we are married, we are participating in an outward ceremony confessing our fidelity to our spouse. We are making an outward profession of unity, much like baptism. It’s too bad in my opinion that there isn’t an outward tradition of a married couple being able to “reaffirm” or “self-examine” their marriage relationship like communion on a regular basis. I believe that if we could somehow have public confessions and affirmations from married couples on a frequent basis and that it would serve to strengthen marriages and families a great deal. I’m not talking about renewing our vows either. Because that only happens once in most cases and isn’t a regular practice. But anyway, I think you get my point. In some ways, I believe that their should be more focus on marriages from the church. Dave.
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. - Galatians 2:16
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J_Edwards said:
As we have already seen from Calvin, age is not really the issue. 1 Corinthians 11:17-34 is essential for determining the truth in the matter. Paul presents a principle that Christians must examine themselves before taking the Lord's supper (v. 28). Christ's body and blood are present in the sacramental meal (v. 24, i.e. spiritually), and so those who partake of the Supper in an unworthy manner partake of Christ—that is His judgment (v. 27)— temporal judgment, or even death (v. 30). Participants in the Supper must judge themselves in order to avoid discipline (v. 31). Joe, Thanks for the information. The idea I had about paedo-communion was a bit mistaken. The point about one being able to judge themself really helped to clear things up. John
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