The Highway Forums General Discussion Open Forum Evangelicals and Catholics Together?

Howard,

Whether a person is known by me to be a Roman Catholic has no impact on whether I share the Gospel with them or not. Knowing that information would, however, certainly affect how I share the Gospel with them.

Pilgrim,<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]I walked out of the church just before he finished screaming and literally pounding the pulpit</font><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>I thought I was the only one who walked out of the sermon when the preacher was not preaching the truth. <br><br><br>In Christ,<br>Carlos

Carlos,<br><br>I'll never forget a visit to a RCA (Canadian) where I walked out before the service began! [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/rolleyes.gif" alt="rolleyes" title="rolleyes[/img] I had gotten there early and was looking through the books of their portable "library", which caused no little alarm, when people began streaming in. I noticed most of the people where dressed more for the beach than for worship. I then heard some rumblings coming from the front of the room only to look up and see a large drum ensemble being setup, amplifiers being plugged in and some distinctively "Charismagic" banners being unfolded from the ceiling. I knew right then that I had made a wrong turn into the parking lot and decided it was time to head home. Participating in a "Rave" wasn't what I had in mind that Sunday. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/drop.gif" alt="drop" title="drop[/img]<br><br>In His Grace,

Shouldn't we also share the goepsl with our Protestant friends as well though? We get so wrapped up sometimes in making sure the heretics hear the truth that we forget that there might be an unbeliever in the midst of our churches sometimes.

Just seen the tragic tale of a certain former presbyterian minister Paul Hill who was executed yesterday for the murder of an abortion doctor and his bodyguard.<br><br>This is an extreme case of course , but it is good enough reason for me not to get involved with Roman catholic pro-life groups. <br><br>One day a calvinist pastor - the next day , a murderer.<br><br>Despite this , Hill believes he will be with The Lord in Heaven even though he shows no remorse and urges folk to carry on where he left off.<br><br>If one feels drawn to the anti-abortion cause , then great. But do it with CHRISTIANS ONLY !<br><br>howard

Howard,<br><br>I'm almost speechless after reading what you wrote about anti-abortion promoters, Roman Catholics and Paul Hill. Are you saying that Hill's act of murder can be at least partially blamed upon the fact that some Roman Catholics are pro-life advocates? [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/drop.gif" alt="drop" title="drop[/img] You are also very presumptuous concerning Paul Hill's standing before God. Do you know ANYTHING about this man that is factual? Or are you just going by what you heard on the news, e.g., that Paul Hill was a Presbyterian minister? The fact is, Paul Hill was a murderer; one who had no remorse for his sinful act. He received the temporal punishment that God requires for those who commit murder. What he will receive at the Judgment, I certainly cannot offer a definitive answer, but I know one thing for sure...... I wouldn't want to be in his shoes; my own are tenuous enough! The fact is, Paul Hill is wholly responsible for his own actions and attempting to cast some of the blame/guilt upon an imaginative association with Roman Catholics who must have somehow negatively influenced this "man of the Presbyterian god" to do that unspeakable act, is incredible.<br><br>And people wonder what precipitates the hatred and violence in Ireland between alleged Protestants and Catholics? [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/igiveup.gif" alt="igiveup" title="igiveup[/img]<br><br>

Hill was a former presbyterian minister was he not ?<br><br>He died unrepentent and has recieved the consequences of his own actions.<br><br>In the U K pro-life is a catholic campaign so I assumed , wrongly perhaps that Hill was somehow embroiled with antichristians. <br><br>What my comments have to do with religious bigotry in Ireland is lost on me.<br><br>Calvinist Evangelicals and Roman Catholics Together - Never<br><br>Arminian Evangelicals and Roman Catholics Together - They always were together as enemies of the Gospel<br> <br>howard<br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]In the U K pro-life is a catholic campaign so I assumed , wrongly perhaps that Hill was somehow embroiled with antichristians.</font><hr></blockquote><p>I fail so see the relevancy as to what a person's spiritual state has to do with whether or not an alleged Christian can participate and/or support the "Pro-life" position? Is it not a biblical view to oppose the murder of the unborn? Is God not the God of the reprobate no less than the elect, less the grace given to the elect? Does God's common grace and providence over the entire world somehow prohibit a believer from becoming involved in that which is a righteous thing? Would the "Good Samaritan" not have helped the poor victim if a Pharisee would have tried to help along with him?<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]you do seem a bit hung up on Evangelicals and Catholics Together for some reason. Care to explain why you are right and I am wrong ?</font><hr></blockquote><p>Hopefully, by this juncture you are aware that I am opposed to the DOCUMENT named "ECT". I cannot give assent to some of the parameters set forth in that document. However, I am NOT opposed to sitting down with Roman Catholics for the purpose of debating the biblical doctrine of Sola Fide or any other biblical truth with the hopes that through the mutual study, exegesis and exposition of God's infallible Word, some may come to Christ by faith alone. I also have no doubt that some of God's elect are Roman Catholics and that they will be called out from the RCC and to Jesus Christ. My "hatred" if it can be classified as that, is against the DOCTRINES of Rome and not the individuals who have been ensnared by it. The leaders of that devilish system are surely going to be held accountable and punished more harshly than the common Roman Catholic adherent. And even on this earth, those leaders should be opposed more harshly than the common man. But I find nothing in the Scriptures that would demand that I totally alienate myself from everyone or anything that comes out of Rome.<br><br>Should Britain be attacked by terrorists, a swarming army of armed men, I seriously doubt you would refuse to be guarded by a soldier or citizen who was a Roman Catholic. I doubt that you would try and stop a Bobby from tearing a rapist off your daughter or wife if you knew he was a Roman Catholic, eh? [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/ponder.gif" alt="ponder" title="ponder[/img] The Lord Jesus Christ taught the truth that we, as believers are to live IN the world, but not to be partakers OF the world. Thus we are to live together, in peace as much as we are able, with unbelievers who outnumber those in the Church exponentially. Our reliance and subjection to the King of Heaven and His Word will determine our thoughts, words and deeds as opposed to those who are His enemies. And thus we will not adopt the world's philosophies nor act as they do. However, we will share in much that they do which is "adiaphora", i.e., not prohibited by God, depending upon the circumstances which we find ourselves in.<br><br>Again, I would not sign ECT, if given the opportunity to do so. But I would gladly, and have done so many times, sit down peacefully and dialog with Roman Catholics, giving them the respect due them as those who were born no less than I was with the "imago dei".<br><br>In His Grace,

I read the other responses and responses to responses to this post and thought I'd put my own here. <br><br>I agree with Pilgrim (I think that is who said it) that, and I doubt this is word for word but I think this was his idea, that it is not association with the RC that makes him a murderer. The reason that Paul Hill could kill a man and have no remorse probably means that he wasn't save to begin with. Association with a particular denomination doesn't make you saved. Saving faith in Jesus Christ does that. <br><br>Just a random thought that comes to mind: couldn't a Christian drive a Christian to kill someone if enough bad stuff was said about them or enough bad things were done by the individual? And when we even think that we hate someone, isn't that the same as murder? (I think Jesus said something like that). So in reality, it is not the association with sinful people that causes one to sin but what causes one to sin is the fact that he is a sinner from birth and until he has been called by God's irresistible Holy Spirit and has been born from above, he will never feel remorse or feel the need to repent of His sins.<br><br>Association with the RC may not be right when it comes to religious issues, but a social issue, in my opinion, is a different situation.

I like Pilgrim am left speechless at what you said. I would also like to say that I know of no RC that would advocate what Hill did. There may be some who call themselves RC, who would advocate such atrocious acts, but it is far from what the RC church teaches.<br>I dare say that even the pope himself would be horrified if he heard of a RC killing abortion doctors, in the name of Roman Catholism.<br><br>So as heretical as RC doctrine is, lets be careful of where we aim our stones.<br>When a RC reads statements such as what you wrote associating the killing of abortion doctors on them. It can do nothing but get their dander up against those who said it and because you are a Protestant, we all suffer.<br><br>Tom

Pilgrim<br><br>I couldn't agree more.<br><br>Tom<br>

Several folk here are confusing religious work with secular work.<br><br>I have dug ditches with RC's but would never engage in religious work with them.<br><br>Why some have a problem with this is beyond me.<br><br>Perhaps some are not reading too carefully .<br><br>I am still lost as to why my posts have anything to do with religious bigotry in Ireland.<br><br>I await an explanation please.<br><br>howard

Did you or did you not associate Hill's killing of an abortion doctor with participation with the Roman Catholic Church?<br><br>Tom

Howard,<br><br>SPUC has a specifically evangelical sub-group called SPUC-evangelical for anti-abortionists who wish to campaign from an evangelical rather than Roman Catholic perspective. UK Lifeleague may be similar, though that needs to be checked.<br><br>James.

Thanks James. This shows that there is no need to engage in such campaigns with enemies of the gospel . This is the point I have been trying to put across - albeit a bit harshly perhaps .<br><br>Arminian Evangelicals and Catholics Together - Yes.<br><br>Calvinist Evangelicals and Catholics Together - Not me - Never.<br><br>howard<br><br>