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#52856 - Monday, January 9, 2017 6:07 PM Enough with the 4 pointers
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Why is it that many want to claim to be Reformed and even acknowledge that they proudly hold to being a 4 point Calvinist,.. my question stems with this declaration, what is Amyraldism, and how wrong is this theology?
"A man may be theologically knowing and spiritually ignorant." STEPHEN CHARNOCK

#52857 - Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:17 PM Re: Enough with the 4 pointers [Re: Mckinley]
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Your question reminded me of a quote.
"The doctrines of grace stand or fall together, and together they point to one central truth: salvation is all of grace because it is all of God; and because it is all of God, it is all for His glory."
James Montgomery Boice

Edited by Tom (Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:23 PM)

#52859 - Wednesday, January 11, 2017 7:39 AM Re: Enough with the 4 pointers [Re: Mckinley]
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The typical four-pointer claims he denies Limited Atonement, but when his understanding of the remaining four points is checked, it often ends up that he is mistaken as well.

What is more insidious is the notion held by many four- or even five-pointers that God DESIRES the salvation of each and every person (without exception). It is this notion that is the motivation for Amyraldianism.

Edited by goldenoldie (Wednesday, January 11, 2017 7:42 AM)
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

#52860 - Wednesday, January 11, 2017 8:09 AM Re: Enough with the 4 pointers [Re: goldenoldie]
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Just to briefly weigh in on this discussion... Among the framers of the WCF, there were a few who held to a quasi-Amyraldian view. They insisted that they rejected Amyraldianism but their view was very similar. During the deliberations among the whole, these men's view was rejected which is evident from what the Confession states regarding the atonement. Yet... from what I've been able to glean over the years, those who held to this spurious view were otherwise quite solid. There may have been exceptions, of course.

In our day, goldenoldie is quite correct, i.e., those who hold to a 4-Point "Calvinism", so they claim are off on several of the other points. We have had at least one individual on this Board that showed a departure in other areas as well. On the main Main Website in the Atonement section, there are 5 arguments (exegetical) on particular passages by Gary Long which shows the differences between the historic, confessional Calvinist view and the others. Getting acquainted with those other views in comparison, I believe, would be most helpful to those who are either not familiar with the various views or those who would like clarification of them.

In His service and grace,

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