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#53130 - Thursday, February 16, 2017 6:49 AM Is Historical Pre Mil a Viable Position for a Calvinist?
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Know that A Mil is the dominent position taken in Reformed circles, but does seem that some prominent person in calvinism has held to Historical pre mil one also, so would that be seen as also a viable option in Eschatology?

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#53133 - Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:38 AM Re: Is Historical Pre Mil a Viable Position for a Calvinist? [Re: JesusFan]
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Originally Posted By: JesusFan
Know that A Mil is the dominent position taken in Reformed circles, but does seem that some prominent person in calvinism has held to Historical pre mil one also, so would that be seen as also a viable option in Eschatology?

I don't know what you mean by "viable"? Historically, Historic Premil eschatology has been tolerated even though I don't know of any of the Reformation confessions include it. Most A-mil adherents don't see any special recognition of Israel, which all premillennialists do.

See here: A Defense of (Reformed) AMillennialism

And here: Paul's Theology of Future Israel
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#53143 - Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:38 PM Re: Is Historical Pre Mil a Viable Position for a Calvinist? [Re: Pilgrim]
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I know that Spurgeon and Boice held to some version of it, would they then be saying that Jesus would save all the Jews alive at His Coming event, but not have that set up under him as Scofield and others laid out?

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#53144 - Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:56 PM Re: Is Historical Pre Mil a Viable Position for a Calvinist? [Re: JesusFan]
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Though some might wish to debate it, Spurgeon was undoubtedly pre-millennial (see here -- a very long page), though absolutely not dispensational. What today would be called historic pre-millenial, though I'm not sure that those terms were used then.
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#53149 - Thursday, February 16, 2017 5:00 PM Re: Is Historical Pre Mil a Viable Position for a Calvinist? [Re: JesusFan]
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Both Spurgeon and Boice held to "Historic Premillennialism" but both would categorically reject any and all forms of Dispensationalism. IF I remember correctly, neither would agree that "all Jews" would be saved on the last day; Christ's second coming.
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#53169 - Friday, February 17, 2017 10:27 AM Re: Is Historical Pre Mil a Viable Position for a Calvinist? [Re: Meta4]
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many reformed would deny that any pre mil would be allowed by the Confessions, but I do see that in the Bible itself!

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#53170 - Friday, February 17, 2017 10:30 AM Re: Is Historical Pre Mil a Viable Position for a Calvinist? [Re: Pilgrim]
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Think Spurgeon view was that Israel would be saved at Second Coming, but was not sure what he exactly meant by that!

He would see it as I doI presume, as Jesus setting up His Kingdom upon earth and ruling over all nation, butwithout Jewish nation neing head,Him king over them only etc!

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#53179 - Friday, February 17, 2017 7:42 PM Re: Is Historical Pre Mil a Viable Position for a Calvinist? [Re: JesusFan]
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Generally among the Reformed, three schools of eschatology are considered to be within the bounds of orthodoxy:

Postmil (but NOT the Charismatic brand),
Amil, and
Historic (NOT dispensational) premil.

I wrote a series on the different ones, comparing them and evaluating them. You can vieww the whole series under the tag "Theology Thursday" on Keachfan. The first in the series is here.

Enjoy!

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