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Pelagian Question #55463
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I was asked two questions, but for some reason I thought before I tried to answer it, something came to mind concerning the questions. Would I be correct to say that the following questions sound Pelagian?
[quote]“Why would God require of all men that which they, even Elect according to Calvinism, can not yet do”??
It also begs the question;
“Why would God require of some men, that
which they, the Non Elect according to Calvinism, can Never Do AND are eternally punished for not doing it?"[\quote]

If so, I thought maybe I could bring that into my response.
Thoughts?

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Re: Pelagian Question [Re: Tom] #55464
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1. God requires of ALL creation to do what God originally designed it to do. And what objection could one offer against the Creator to His right to do so? (cf. Rom 9:19-24). God requires of all men that they live a perfectly righteous life which is summarized in the two great commandments (Lk 10:27). Yet, who does live in this manner? In fact, among all mankind, who even desires to live a perfectly holy life? And in truth, what natural man has the ability to obey these two commandments (Rom 8:6,7)?

2. As is typical with those who ask such questions, the reason is twofold:
a. They refuse to acknowledge that the one true God, who has revealed Himself both in nature and especially in the divinely inspired, infallible and inerrant written Word, is sovereign both in power and authority. (Rom 1:16ff; et al).
b. They refuse to accept the fact that in the sovereign God's perfect plan (Gen 18:25), Adam would be the federal head of the entire human race (corporate solidarity) and whatever he chose to do the results would effect all of mankind (cf. Rom 5:12ff; 1Cor 15:21,22). In short, they reject the consequences of Adam's disobedience (Original Sin: guilt imputed and corruption of nature inherited). Yet, the fact that no man is capable nor even desirous to do what God requires of him does not nullify man's responsibility toward God.

3. Boettner, among many others throughout history have answered these rejections. Here is one of Boettner's responses: Objections to the Doctrine of Predestination.


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Thankyou for that and the Boettner article. The answer you gave was the kind of answer I was thinking of making, before I thought that the questions sounded Pelagian in nature, similar to the discussion between Pelaguis and Augustine.
Am I correct on that thought?

Tom

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ALL such questions have their root in Pelagianism, i.e., man is the sovereign and determines his own 'fate'. That Calvinism is rooted in the truth that GOD is the sovereign and determines all things according to HIS good pleasure, especially in showing mercy to whomsoever HE wills is one of the main reasons why Calvinism is universally hated.

You have most likely read this article on The Highway before, but it may be beneficial to do so again: Pelagian Captivity of the Church.

And there is the most read article on The Highway that is related to such questions that are asked, even by alleged Reformed people: Double Predestination.


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