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Classical Apologetics #55585
Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:28 AM
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Recently I was talking to some fans of Classical Apologetics. One of the things I have learned in the past was from VanTil, who stated that Natural Theology which Aquinas came up with; should have no part of Reformed Theology. Unfortunately I can't remember the reason he said this.

I told them this and the following is the answer I received.

How could it be against Reformed theology when none of the Reformers nor the most prominent systematic theologies, nor any of the confessions teach against natural theology?

It is only recently, since the advent of presuppositionalism with Van Til that Natural Theology has come under question. The arguments against it that I have seen are mostly straw men arguments against some notion of Natural Theology in the arminian sense that teaches that man can know God in a saving way through natural theology. That is not what Aquinas taught, nor implied.

Another person said that the Westminster divines quoted Aquinas favorably concerning natural theology.

Does anyone know how to respond to this?


Re: Classical Apologetics [Re: Tom] #55586
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The debate between Classical, Evidential and Presuppositional apologetics is one which will never end until the Lord comes. To me, the answer is quite simple... The Bible is divinely INSPIRED, i.e., God deliberately, by the Holy Spirit put into writing the infallible and inerrant TRUTH concerning all things which He desires to reveal about Himself, the world and what is required of man, including the fundamental questions concerning salvation, etc. The natural world is no less fallen and corrupted than mankind who brought about the sorry state in which we are born. There may be certain facts which can be observed in general, e.g., God's existence; His eternal power and Godhead through the things which are made (Rom 1), but even those undeniable facts will not and cannot be received as truth, as the inspired Paul also wrote immediately thereafter in Romans 1.

Let me put this another way. A reprobate liberal unbelieving professor teaching in a godless seminary man utter some "truth" but I would hardly depend upon him for a source of truth. And the only way that I know that his teachings are true or false is by testing them by the TRUTH which is found in Scripture (Jh 8:31,32, 17:17; 1Jh 4:1;i et al). It is only through the eyes that can see, a mind that can understand and ears that can hear (regeneration) can anyone even begin to comprehend the things which are called "Natural Theology", but are those things what God has ordained and given to mankind to discover and learn infallible and inerrant truth? scratchchin

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