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Re: Luther on Predestination [Re: John_C] #55682
Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:49 AM
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John

Please check the link you provided.
I went there and the article is called 'Is There Sex In Heaven?" I am doing my best not to laugh, sorry.

Tom

Re: Luther on Predestination [Re: Tom] #55683
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Tom, did you take the time to read the article John linked to?... I DID grin

1. The author of the content of the article is Peter Kreeft, whose most infamous book is probably Ecumenical Jihad.
2. FYI, he 'converted' from the RCA (Reformed Church in America) to Roman Catholicism.
3. He can easily be classified as belonging to the 'far left' branch of Catholicism.

OKAY, so here is yet another good reason to avoid "The Gospel Coalition" at all costs. [Linked Image]

PS. The article would be laughable if it wasn't so illogical and void of biblical truth. igiveup


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Re: Luther on Predestination [Re: Tom] #55685
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Originally Posted by Tom
John

Please check the link you provided.
I went there and the article is called 'Is There Sex In Heaven?" I am doing my best not to laugh, sorry.

Tom


Let me try again

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/was-luther-a-calvinist/


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Re: Luther on Predestination [Re: Pilgrim] #55686
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No I did not read the article, mainly because it was not the article John wanted me to read.

However, after seeing your response, I did take another look and read enough of it to know I don't want to read the whole thing. Lets just say I am a little surprised they used Peter Kreeft; but maybe I should not be. Sigh..
By the way, quite some time ago, when I realized what one of the co-founders of The Gospel Coalition (Tim Keller) believed on a number of issues. I became extremely suspicious of them and even wrote a few of their members concerning the beliefs of Tim Keller. To this day, I never got one response back.
I was disappointed mainly because I have listened to a broadcast by Dr. Albert Mohler, who is a Gospel Coalition member, concerning 'Theistic Evolution' and he was very clear (even to someone who called in) that no Christian should believe in Theistic Evolution. He used some pretty strong language against it as well. Yet, if he believes that; why on earth would he belong to an organization with Tim Keller at the helm? It does not make any sense at all. It kind of reminds me of JI Packer signing ECT.

I also know of other Christians who warn against The Gospel Coalition. I also have a friend who owns a ministry called 'Take Heed' in Northern Ireland, who I have been in contact with. He also has written members of The Gospel Coalition and he didn't receive a response back either.
His name is Cecil Andrews and I have known him for a number of years, because he has been a guest speaker at my Church on a number of occasions.
He has written about Tim Keller and many other unsavory characters.
http://www.takeheed.info/

Tom

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Re: Luther on Predestination [Re: Tom] #55690
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Quick points, I could be wrong, but I read a lot on Luther and even read Needham, who John referenced. I believe Luther very much held to Predestination. Bondage of the Will blew me away as far as Luthers pro-predestination position.

Luther was not a fan of Zwingli because he reminded him of Karlstadt (and Müntzer)who were what Luther considered spiritualists who separated word from spirit. I also believe Melanchthon tried to endear Luther to Calvin (who had great respect for Luther and his works). I believe Luther had a limited but good opinion of Calvin and ultimately probably was closer to Calvin in theology and doctrine than his dear friend Melanchthon. But yeah Calvin systematized his theology much more than Luther ever did , although they both held similar views and teachings with both being greatly influenced by that great thorn in the (contemporary)RomanCatholicChurch’s side Augustine

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Re: Luther on Predestination [Re: Tom] #55694
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I should have wrote that Karlstadt and Müntzer separated spirit from word.

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