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Re: Was Jesus Peccable? [Re: Tom] #55907
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He was tempted as we are, yet nothing in Him wouldhave responed, as God cannot sin.

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Try answering my questions rather than parroting your premise again.

How did Adam fall into sin when he had no predisposition toward sin?, Thus Satan's temptation should have fallen on deaf ears.

How did Satan who likewise had no predisposition toward sin, rebel against God and even without any external temptation?

If it was absolutely impossible for Jesus to sin (theoretically), i.e., His human nature, then His sacrifice could not have been acceptable to redeem man for He would not have been a bona fide, legitimate substitute, for the temptations would have been specious. Get it? scratchchin


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The temptations of Jesus were real, even though he could not sin in the end, as again, His is BOTH man and God, something neither Adam or Satan can claim!

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Originally Posted by JesusFan
The temptations of Jesus were real, even though he could not sin in the end, as again, His is BOTH man and God, something neither Adam or Satan can claim!

HOW were they real if there was absolutely no possibility that they would have any effect?

Are you going to answer ANY of the previous questions asked of you? scratchchin


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Can God sin?

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Originally Posted by JesusFan
Can God sin?

No.... !! God cannot sin.

Can man sin? even before the Fall, without even a hint of a predisposition to do so, who walked physically with the pre-incarnate Christ in the Garden of Eden, who loved God with all his heart, mind and soul, he being created in the very image of God? confused


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the Hugh difference between any of us and Jesus Christ was that he was both fully God and sinless Human...
he was tried and tempted in His humanity, but being also Deity, would not be able to final succumb to the sin temptation.

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Originally Posted by JesusFan
the Hugh difference between any of us and Jesus Christ was that he was both fully God and sinless Human...
he was tried and tempted in His humanity, but being also Deity, would not be able to final succumb to the sin temptation.


Among the many things (which Pilgrim already brought up) that comes to mind as I read your reply.
Is it makes Satan look like a complete idiot given what you state here.
As humans we are not even close to the intellect and craftiness of Satan.
Given your premise, donít you think Satan knew that tempting Jesus would be a complete exercise is futility?

Tom

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Did Satan really know if Jesus was the messiah, the Son of God though?

And Satan was the one who actually though tha the could overthrow God , so why would he not try to get Jesus to submit to Him?

I just do not accept that Jesus had to actual be able to really sin in order to really experience temptations, as He would have experienced them as we do at initial stage, but would then always reject them !

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Pilgrim may want to say more in this conversation; but I don't have anything that I think is worthwhile.

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Re: Was Jesus Peccable? [Re: JesusFan] #55965
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Originally Posted by JesusFan
Did Satan really know if Jesus was the messiah, the Son of God though?

Of course Satan knew that Jesus was the Messiah. Why else would he and his minions attempt to dissuade Him and raise up the people from going to the cross. (cf. Gen 3:14,15, et al).

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I just do not accept that Jesus had to actual be able to really sin in order to really experience temptations, as He would have experienced them as we do at initial stage, but would then always reject them !

And that is exactly the point which upholds the separation of the two natures. He Jesus was IN EVERY WAY tempted like us, yet without sin (Heb 4:15). In every instance of temptation He CHOSE not to sin, thus being the true "second Adam", i.e., He accomplished what the first Adam failed to do and therefore can be an acceptable SUBSTITUTE for those whom He came to save. Obedience requires a personal conscious decision to do all that is required and to not do what is forbidden.


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Re: Was Jesus Peccable? [Re: Tom] #55966
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What you said here, seems almost to be a no brainer.
Unfortunately, the logic of what you said here is lost on many.
It would be interesting if JesusFan would actually deal (I.e. exegete) with the Scripture passages you mentioned.

Thanks again
Tom

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