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My Run In with NCT #55998
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For quite some time, after reading on the Highway the beliefs of those who hold to NCT, I disagreed with them. However, until now that disagreement was not too bad. Somewhere around the same as my disagreement with John MacArthur on his Dispensational beliefs.
However, I was having a discussion on a Calvinist page concerning whether or not the 10 Commandments still apply. I also gave a link to a short video, explaining further what I meant.
Someone, came on the page who adheres to NCT came on and made some pretty serious accusations. Basically claiming that the Reformers and those who believe in either Baptist CT or Presbyterian CT are false teachers. Then when I asked him to clarify if he was really calling the Reformers and those who believed in CT false teachers. He told me, "if the shoe fits."
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False teachers have been trying to bring believers back under the law since the apostles exposed and denounced them in Acts 15. Same today. A watershed moment in the early days of Christianity. You would do well to relook at that important moment and then reread Galatians. You canít miss it.


First of all, is this typical of what most people who believe in NCT believe?
By the way, I put this guy on my ignore list.

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Re: My Run In with NCT [Re: Tom] #56000
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Just noticed there is a new post by the NCT guy that I put on ignore.
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Tom Hardy . Amazing. The truth enlightens some and blinds others. It figures. Law teachers canít stomach Acts 15 & Galatians. It tears down their straw house and exposes the sand beneath their false system.
True believers, however, rightly divide the Truth.
Ignore the truth to your peril friend. Although this is not what I wish for you.


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I guess nobody has a response to this.

Re: My Run In with NCT [Re: Tom] #56004
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What is anyone expected to day? Those who ignore or totally deny the perpetuity of the moral law given by God (second person of the Trinity cf. Heb 12:18ff) bifurcate the economic Trinity and the very essence of God who determines what is good and right. There is only ONE "law giver"... thus there is no dissimulation between the Father and Son and the Holy Spirit who through the law both convicts those whom the Father gave to the Son to redeem, giving them a heart of flesh and who also dwells within to reveal all truth to them in the inspired written Word which contains the same law by which they love and walk in it unto sanctification.

Typically, those who choose to walk another path other than the "old paths" (Jer 6:16) often become belligerent and condescending to others stemming from their erroneous idea that from the beginning until THEY came alone, all have been believing falsehood. And, their responsibility is to expose this falsehood and embrace their heresy. Sophistry is the foundation of their arguments and the twisting and turning of Scripture their modus operandi. NCT has been soundly refuted by a plethora of faithful men over the years since it became popular.

Now, why bother with such individuals as the one referred to by you? (Jude 1:1-16; Titus 3:8-10; Rom 6:17; 2Thess 3:6,14; 2Tim 3:13-15; 1Jn 4:1; 2Jh 1:1-12).


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Re: My Run In with NCT [Re: Pilgrim] #56007
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Now, why bother with such individuals as the one referred to by you? (Jude 1:1-16; Titus 3:8-10; Rom 6:17; 2Thess 3:6,14; 2Tim 3:13-15; 1Jn 4:1; 2Jh 1:1-12).


Why bother indeed! That is exactly why I put him on my ignore list.
I was going to do that anyway, but I was a little shocked that I was attacked by others who are more in line with John MacArthur. Would John MacArthur attack his friend RC Sproul, if he said what I did? I very much doubt it.

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They believe that the New Covenant abolished the obeying of the 10 Commandments, as that was under the Law era, but instead we are to obey "the law of Christ"
They deny any day unto the Lord requirement, and that we are no longer obligated under the Moral law, but higher Law of Christ!

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Dr Sproul and Dr MacArthur modeled to us how we can have severe theological disagreements, and yet still be one in Christ.

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Originally Posted by JesusFan
Dr Sproul and Dr MacArthur modeled to us how we can have severe theological disagreements, and yet still be one in Christ.

Please define "severe theological disagreements". confused


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Mode and meaning of water baptism, Israel and the Church, church form of government for starters!

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Originally Posted by JesusFan
Mode and meaning of water baptism, Israel and the Church, church form of government for starters!

Well, I would classify the three items you listed above as important, but hardly "severe" theological disagreements. Severe would be matters concerning justification, the Trinity, the person of Christ, etc. As a broad example, semi-Pelagianism vs. Calvinism, Easy Believism vs. the biblical Gospel, the worship of God, etc. With any of those things, there can be no "one in Christ" between the respective adherents.


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Re: My Run In with NCT [Re: JesusFan] #56036
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In my OP, I mentioned the accusations that a person who believed in NCT made about those who believed in CT (both 1689 LBCF and WCF). I had previously engaged with that individual for the most part civilly because we both are Calvinists. However, those accusations actually changed all that mainly because they crossed the line into essential matters of the faith. Your mentioning MacArthur and Sproul concerning their disagreements on things like baptism, ecclesiology etc... are not matters that cross over in to essential. However, if the NCT person who made those serious accusations against CT truly represent what NCT, teaches; then they have crossed that line and in my judgment I believe I needed to put him on my ignore list.
What do you think?

Tom

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Watching those 2 on debates before, there were times that it seemed to be getting "severe", especially in regards to the mode and meaning of water baptism though!

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to my understanding, the NCT denies the Moral law of God still in effect for Christians, and that we are not under obligation to observe anymore a day unto the Lord, so that should qualify as ignore!


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