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Is THIS the main Disagreement between reformed and reformed Baptists? #56043
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Just how much continuity between the Old and New Covenants? How new is the new Covenant?

Re: Is THIS the main Disagreement between reformed and reformed Baptists? [Re: JesusFan] #56045
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Not being a Reformed Baptist, I'm thinking they agree with the Reformed on Covenant Theology. I thought the main disagreement would be on baptism. They do not baptize infants.


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Re: Is THIS the main Disagreement between reformed and reformed Baptists? [Re: JesusFan] #56046
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My understanding is that that would be correct. Other differences, such as baptism, flow from that starting point.

Reformed Baptist Seminary (https://rbseminary.org/) has available for viewing, a series of lectures on Creeds and Confessions, in which this is explained.


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Re: Is THIS the main Disagreement between reformed and reformed Baptists? [Re: Meta4] #56047
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Thanks, areyou a reformed Baptist then?

Re: Is THIS the main Disagreement between reformed and reformed Baptists? [Re: JesusFan] #56049
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We are Baptist, yes. The term 'reformed' seems to carry many connotations, so it is difficult to say without an actual definition.


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Re: Is THIS the main Disagreement between reformed and reformed Baptists? [Re: Meta4] #56050
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Do you agree with reformed view on salvation proper, and how do you view Confessions of Faith?

Re: Is THIS the main Disagreement between reformed and reformed Baptists? [Re: JesusFan] #56051
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You see, you have used that word again. Please define, precisely, "reformed view" of salvation.


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There is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. - C.H. Spurgeon
Re: Is THIS the main Disagreement between reformed and reformed Baptists? [Re: Meta4] #56052
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I get the feeling you know what Reformed confessions like the LBCF 1689 and the WCF teach about salvation. You just want JesusFan to tell you. Am I correct?

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Re: Is THIS the main Disagreement between reformed and reformed Baptists? [Re: John_C] #56053
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You might benefit from the following link concern the differences between the Reformed Baptists and Reformed Presbyterians. http://www.1689federalism.com/

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Re: Is THIS the main Disagreement between reformed and reformed Baptists? [Re: Meta4] #56057
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Simple answer would be the 5 Doctrines of grace!

Re: Is THIS the main Disagreement between reformed and reformed Baptists? [Re: JesusFan] #56060
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Originally Posted by JesusFan
Simple answer would be the 5 Doctrines of grace!

Are you referring to the "5 Solas"?


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Re: Is THIS the main Disagreement between reformed and reformed Baptists? [Re: Pilgrim] #56061
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Originally Posted by Tom
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I get the feeling you know what Reformed confessions like the LBCF 1689 and the WCF teach about salvation. You just want JesusFan to tell you. Am I correct?

Tom

Exactly.

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Simple answer would be the 5 Doctrines of grace!

Are you referring to the "5 Solas"?

I suspect that he is referring to the five points of Calvinism, also called the doctrine of Sovereign Grace. If so, amen!


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There is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. - C.H. Spurgeon
Re: Is THIS the main Disagreement between reformed and reformed Baptists? [Re: John_C] #56063
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One other major difference would be church polity, e.g., local church independence vs. a judicial hierarchy. Some Calvinistic Baptists also differ in the makeup of officers in the local church, e.g., one "Pastor/Elder" and Deacons vs. the plurality of Elders and Deacons. And among the latter, many wrongly, IMHO, bifurcate the Eldership into two separate groups; teaching Elders and ruling Elders.


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Re: Is THIS the main Disagreement between reformed and reformed Baptists? [Re: Pilgrim] #56064
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Yes, but the term that I call them by are the 5 Doctrines of grace.

Re: Is THIS the main Disagreement between reformed and reformed Baptists? [Re: Meta4] #56065
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you would be correct in your assumptions!

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