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Impeccable vs Peccable

I realize that this is a discussion that has been talked about before on the Highway.

However I seem to be running into the view that the position RC Sproul had on Jesus Peccability is a very dangerous view.
Even to the point of saying that almost all (with the odd exception) Reformed theologians since the Reformation believed in the Impeccability of Christ and thought the Peccable view was serious error.

As an example of what seemed to start this is the following Q&A session with RC Sproul.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/18tZsLH4ot/?mibextid=wwXIfr

As an example of the almost unanimous majority, they site the following.
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Reformed theologians affirming Christ’s impeccability

Reformation and Reformed orthodox era

* John Calvin
* Theodore Beza
* Zacharias Ursinus
* Girolamo Zanchi
* William Perkins
* Johannes Wollebius
* John Owen
* Thomas Goodwin
* Francis Turretin
* Wilhelmus à Brakel

Nineteenth and early twentieth centuries

* William G. T. Shedd
* Robert L. Dabney
* A. A. Hodge
* Herman Bavinck
* Benjamin B. Warfield
* Abraham Kuyper
* Louis Berkhof
* Geerhardus Vos
* Herman Hoeksema
* Arthur W. Pink

Contemporary Reformed theologians

* John Murray
* Cornelius Van Til
* Anthony Hoekema
* Donald Macleod
* Sinclair Ferguson
* Wayne Grudem
* Robert Letham
* John Frame
* Stephen Wellum
* Kevin DeYoung
* Mark Jones
* Joel Beeke
* Paul Smalley

Notable theologians affirming Christ’s peccability

Reformed

* Charles Hodge
* R. C. Sproul

Broader evangelical

* Millard Erickson
* Gleason Archer

So within the Reformed tradition, Hodge and Sproul belong to a remarkably small minority. The overwhelming historic Reformed position is that Christ was genuinely tempted but, as the one divine-human person of the Son, could not sin.

One person went onto say.
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I think this is where people become confused: they see that Christ has two natures and two wills but fail to recognize that neither acts independently of his one undivided person. The one acting subject is always the eternal Son of God.

One person recommended listening to Mark Jones, who easily dismantles RC Sproul’s view on the matter.

I would appreciate your thoughts.

As an aside, in the town I used to live in. My pastor used to say he agreed with RC Sproul on this issue.
Apparently however, after reading Mark Jones, he changed his mind and now thinks his old position is a horrible position.

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As I have stated myriad times throughout those previous discussions, I hold to peccability; Jesus was capable (not inclined) to commit sin. He successfully overcame all temptations and thus is worthy of being our vicarious substitute as the Second Adam; i.e., he accomplished that which our father Adam failed to do and which fail and can do nothing other but sin in our natural state. It all comes down to one's understanding of the The Chalcedonian Creed. We don't want to be guilty of separating the two natures (human and divine) of Christ, but we likewise don't want to be guilty of intermixing (combining) those two natures either. hairout


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As I have stated before, I agree with you and people like Hodge and Sproul, for the reasons you stated.

That however is not the issue.

I tried to state the reason I made that post.
Mainly, that what I am being told is that it is almost unanimous among Reformed theologians, from Augustine on. That they believed that Jesus was Impeccable.

Let me add something.

Here is an example of what Reformed theologians who believe that Christ was Impeccable, say about the Peccable view.

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The weakness in believing in the Peccable view, is that it treats “human nature” almost as though it were a separate acting person. Chalcedon forbids both confusing the natures and dividing the person. Impeccability does not mix the natures; it takes their union in the one person seriously.

The Chalcedon requires us neither to confuse Christ’s two natures nor to separate them. But impeccability does not intermingle the natures or turn Christ’s humanity into deity. It recognizes that although Christ has two distinct natures and two corresponding wills, neither nature acts as an independent person. The acting subject is always the one person of the eternal Son.

That is the difficulty with saying Christ’s human nature could sin. Natures do not commit sins; persons do. If Christ sinned according to his humanity, it would still be the person of God the Son committing that sin. We cannot isolate his humanity from his person sufficiently to make it peccable without moving toward the very separation Chalcedon forbids.

Christ’s human will was genuinely human, active and obedient, but it was never contrary to his divine will. His temptations were real because the hunger, suffering, satanic opposition and pressure to disobey were real—not because rebellion had to be a possible outcome.

Nor did Christ become worthy to be our substitute by successfully passing a trial whose outcome was uncertain. He was already the holy Son and spotless Lamb; through his genuine human obedience, he accomplished the mission he had infallibly undertaken as our second Adam.

Therefore, the choice is not between a confused Christ who cannot sin and a truly human Christ who can. The orthodox alternative is the impeccable God-man: two distinct natures and two wills united without confusion or separation in one divine person, who genuinely obeyed and was genuinely tempted but could not act against his own holy identity.

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The argument above in your reply is a good one, but I cannot rectify their reasoning with the necessity of the Second Adam, the God-man, being required to duplicate what our first earthly father was commanded to do, i.e., to obey God in all things. Adam had no prior disposition to sin either, albeit he possessed (posse pecarre) the ability to sin IF he so chose to do so. He did not have (non posse non peccare) no ability to not sin, which the above reasoning affirms Christ did have. We, as regenerated Christians do not even have that ability, but only glorified saints will have that ability. For me, it isn't a matter of the temptations being real, which I affirm they were. The temptations were actual temptations regardless of which view one takes. But if Christ didn't have to make an actual choice to ignore them and obey God willingly, without external influence, then He wasn't a true representative of Adam, i.e., humanity in an unfallen state and thus actually accomplished what Adam could have done had he chosen to obey. Yes, there is a great weight and witness of history in favor of the impeccability view and I respect that, but I haven't read a direct apologetic against my person reasoning which is that too of R.C. Sproul and Hodge, I believe. neither of whom were slouches in theological matters.smile


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What you stated here, is basically why I believe in the Peccable position.
Yet, I also need to admit, that the weight of the Reformed community who held to Impeccable position, makes me wary of the position I hold. Nevertheless, I can’t change my position, because of that.

I will say that, what you said has been talked about by those who are on the Impeccable side.
However, I am scratching my head on how they believe it answers our concerns.

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The peccable view rightly protects the reality of Christ’s humanity, temptations, and voluntary obedience. Christ did not merely appear to obey. He truly “learned obedience through what he suffered” (Hebrews 5:8), resisted temptation, and submitted his human will to the Father: “Not my will, but yours, be done” (Luke 22:42).

But I believe your argument requires the second Adam to be more like the first Adam than Scripture requires—or even permits.

1. Christ did not have to duplicate Adam in every respect

Adam and Christ are covenant heads, but they are not identical persons.

Adam was:

* A created human person
* Made from the earth
* Capable of obedience or disobedience
* Able to fall
* The beginning of natural humanity

Christ is:

* The eternal Son of God
* A divine person with a true human nature
* Conceived by the Holy Spirit and intrinsically holy
* The Lord from heaven
* The beginning of a new and glorified humanity

Paul deliberately emphasizes the difference:

“The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.”
—1 Corinthians 15:47

Christ did not come merely to recreate Adam’s original condition and attempt the same test again. He came as one greater than Adam—God the Son incarnate—to accomplish what Adam failed to do and to secure a righteousness and life that could never again be lost.

The correspondence between Adam and Christ is covenantal and representative, not an exact duplication of their personal constitution.

2. The person obeying is the eternal Son

We must ask, “Who is Jesus Christ?”

The answer is not a newly created human person who happens to be joined to God. The acting person is the eternal Son, who assumed a complete human nature. Therefore, if Jesus could sin, the person committing that sin would be the Son of God.

Natures do not act independently; persons act according to their natures. Christ possesses a divine nature and a human nature, but he is one indivisible divine person.

Therefore, saying that Christ could sin entails that God the Son could sin. But Scripture says:

* “God cannot be tempted with evil” (James 1:13).
* “God is not man, that he should lie” (Numbers 23:19).
* God “never lies” (Titus 1:2).
* “He cannot deny himself” (2 Timothy 2:13).

The incarnation did not make the immutable Son capable of moral evil.

3. Inability to sin does not eliminate genuine choice

This is perhaps the central issue. Genuine freedom does not require the ability to choose evil.

God necessarily loves righteousness and cannot lie, deny himself, or act contrary to his holy nature. Yet God is not less free because of his perfect holiness. His inability to sin is not an external restraint imposed upon him; it is the perfection of his freedom.

Likewise, Christ’s obedience was not automatic, mechanical, or coerced. He willingly chose obedience through his true human will:

“I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.”
—John 6:38

“I lay it down of my own accord.”
—John 10:18

“I do as the Father has commanded me.”
—John 14:31

Christ made actual choices, but every choice proceeded freely and infallibly from his perfectly holy person. The impossibility of his choosing evil does not make his good choices unreal. It makes his holiness unconquerable.

The glorified saints will be unable to sin, yet they will not cease making willing choices. Indeed, they will then possess freedom in its fullest form. If non posse peccare does not destroy human freedom in glory, it need not destroy Christ’s human freedom during his earthly obedience.

4. Impeccability does not make temptation unreal

Temptation does not require an inward possibility of yielding.

Christ experienced genuine external enticement, opposition, suffering, deprivation, fear, shame, and pressure. Satan actually offered him the kingdoms of the world. Hunger was real. Gethsemane was real. The cross was real. Christ felt the full force of temptation—but without any sinful desire within him.

Hebrews does not say that Christ was tempted because he might possibly have sinned. It says:

“In every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.”
—Hebrews 4:15

An army may genuinely attack an impregnable fortress even though it cannot capture it. The attack is real; the fortress’s invincibility does not make the assault imaginary. Indeed, Christ endured the full force of temptation because he never surrendered. Fallen people often yield before experiencing temptation at its greatest intensity.

5. Adam’s obedience was probationary; Christ’s obedience was victorious

Adam was created upright but mutable. His continuance in holiness was not guaranteed. Christ, however, came to guarantee the success of redemption.

If Christ were peccable, then the entire plan of salvation could conceivably have failed. The promises of God would have depended upon the uncertain obedience of a mutable Redeemer. But Scripture presents Christ’s triumph as flowing from who he is:

“The ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me.”
—John 14:30

“It was not possible for him to be held by” death.
—Acts 2:24

Christ did not merely do what Adam might have done. He did what Adam could never secure: he rendered perfect obedience, bore the curse, conquered death, and obtained an indefectible inheritance for his people.

6. The Augustinian categories need correcting

The traditional categories are:

State Moral condition
Adam before the fall Posse peccare, posse non peccare — able to sin and able not to sin
Fallen humanity Non posse non peccare — unable not to sin
Regenerate believer Posse non peccare — able not to sin, though still able to sin
Glorified believer Non posse peccare — unable to sin
Christ Non posse peccare — unable to sin

So non posse non peccare does not describe Christ. It means “not able not to sin,” which describes fallen humanity apart from regenerating grace. Christ’s impeccability is non posse peccare: not able to sin.

7. Christ’s superiority to Adam is essential to his saving work

The second Adam had to be truly human because man owed the obedience and man deserved the penalty. But he also had to be God because only a divine person could sustain the burden, give infinite value to his sacrifice, conquer death, and infallibly accomplish salvation.

This is why the 1689 Confession says that the two natures were united in one person so that Christ was “very God and very man, yet one Christ, the only mediator between God and man” (8.2).

His deity is not an unfair advantage that disqualifies him from representing us. It is the very qualification that makes him a sufficient and victorious representative.

Conclusion

The choice is not between a genuinely obedient Christ who could have sinned and a mechanical Christ who could not truly choose. The orthodox position is that Christ’s obedience was both:

* Fully human, conscious, costly, and voluntary
* Infallibly holy because the obedient person was the eternal Son

Adam could obey but fell. Christ could be tested, suffer, and voluntarily obey—but could not be conquered by evil. He is not merely Adam given another opportunity. He is “the Lord from heaven,” the stronger covenant head whose righteousness and kingdom can never fail.

Sproul’s or Hodge’s stature cannot settle the question, even if one or both expressed sympathy for peccability. Great theologians can adopt minority positions. The decisive question is whether we can consistently say that the eternal, immutable, perfectly holy Son of God—the one divine person acting through both natures—was capable of committing sin. I do not believe Scripture’s doctrine Christ allows us to say that.

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Apparently, this is what theologian say about Sproul’s and our view.


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To say Jesus was simply the same as pre-fall Adam is Christologically false and, taken literally, heretical. Adam was a created human person possessing one human nature. Jesus is the eternal divine Son possessing both a divine and a human nature. Christ’s humanity resembled Adam’s in being sinless, but Christ was never merely another unfallen man. The comparison ignores the hypostatic union and cannot establish that Jesus was personally free to sin. Adam was able not to sin; Christ was not able to sin.

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The comparison ignores the hypostatic union and cannot establish that Jesus was personally free to sin. Adam was able not to sin; Christ was not able to sin.
To the contrary, it establishes the hypostatic union (Isa 9:6). The human nature was able to sin but the divine nature, being God could not sin. One cannot intermix the two natures of Christ. The Son was omniscient, the human nature was ignorant and learned throughout his years from myriad others. Jesus, the man hungered, suffered pain, needed sleep, etc. but not so with the Son.


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I have used that argument before and was told I am conflating issues.

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You’re conflating Jesus with Adam because you’re only talking about him in reference to his human nature.

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You just can’t say Jesus the person as if he is only a human nature and you can’t do the same as if he is only a divine nature



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I have used that argument before and was told I am conflating issues.

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You just can’t say Jesus the person as if he is only a human nature and you can’t do the same as if he is only a divine nature

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But in Scripture the inspired writers recorded incidents where it was the human nature speaking and on other occasions, it was the Son of God speaking. They made and knew of the distinctions and didn't try to 'conflate' them. Yes, this is a complex and difficult issue since it involves one person with two distinct natures. It is the only instance, AFAIK, in the history of mankind. The finite has a more than serious difficulty in comprehending the Infinite, particularly God. Thus, on this matter, I have never lowered myself to be dogmatic about it and relegated the opposite view to that of heresy.


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I want to thank you, for trying to help me with this rather complex matter.

I found it interesting that among the accusations made by Reformed Christians against
the Peccable view. Is that the Peccable view has more in common with Arminians Theology.
Than it does with Reformed Theology.

I thought that was a rather low blow.

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