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Recommendation in how to start reading the Puritans
by Pilgrim - Tue May 17, 2022 3:30 PM
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Original Sin
by Tom - Thu May 12, 2022 11:43 PM
by Pilgrim - Sun May 08, 2022 6:55 AM
What Speaking the Truth In Love Is Not
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The sin of suppressing truth
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Recommendation in how to start reading the Puritans John_C Thu May 12, 2022 4:50 PM Which Puritans (and their books) do you recommend for a beginner in getting acquainted with Puritan writings and thoughts? Someone recommended Sibbes; however, when I googled him he remained as an Anglican and was considered a moderate.
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Original Sin Tom Thu May 12, 2022 2:16 PM Like many Reformed Christians I have read the exchange between Pelagius and Augustine and how it is related to Original Sin.

I however have not run into the understanding of Original Sin that was recently told to me in a discussion on the subject.
I was hoping I could get some feedback from some who are more knowledgeable than me.

though not catholic myself I take the Catholic view of original sin, and in these particular areas, because there understanding is more faithful to scripture, and the views of Augustine and the church fathers.

It’s neither arminian or reformed, but often affirm different aspects of both of them.

As Augustine himself indicted “God created us without us: but he did not will to save us without us."

So a faithful understanding of Augustine and original sin In relationship to him, can’t be said to imply that original sin damaged our will in such a way, than man can not will to be saved, to repent, etc..

The will posses such a power, is a requirement for both salvation and damnation. Even if it alone neither saves or damns

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What Speaking the Truth In Love Is Not chestnutmare Sat May 07, 2022 2:28 PM [Today] you must not say that one view is right and the other wrong; you must not criticize, for to criticize is to deny the spirit of Christ and to be entirely devoid of love. "Speaking the truth in love" has come to mean that you more or less praise everything, but above all, that you never criticize any view strongly, because, after all, there is a certain amount of right and truth in everything.

We must, therefore, ask the question, Is this a right and true interpretation of Paul's statement? Is this what is meant by "speaking the truth in love"? I answer immediately that it cannot be, for the reason that the Apostle Paul does not simply tell us here to speak lovingly. What he says is "speaking truth" or "holding truth". We are not told by the Apostle to cultivate a vague, loving spirit, but to hold the truth in love. The very word truth, in and of itself, makes the modern popular exposition of the statement obviously and patently wrong. Furthermore, and this is where the context is so important if the phrase merely denotes a loving spirit, how is that connected to what the Apostle has said in verse 14? If "speaking the truth in love", " holding the truth in love" , means that we are to smile upon all views and doctrinal standpoints, and never criticize and condemn and reject any views, how do we avoid being "children tossed to and fro and carried away by every wind of doctrine"? This supposed "loving spirit" makes it impossible to use such terms as "sleight of men", "cunning craftiness", and "lying in wait to deceive". The very text itself and especially the context, make that interpretation completely impossible; indeed, it is a denial of the Apostle's statement. We must not hesitate to say so plainly. To put life, or "spirit" or niceness, or anything else, before truth is to deny essential New Testament teaching; and in addition is to contradict directly the Apostle's solemn warning in verse 14. It is to set up ourselves, and the modern mind, and the modern man as the authority rather than the 'called apostle' Paul and all others whom the Lord has set in the Church to warn us against and save us from, this attitude which so dislikes discrimination and judgment. Never was it more important to assert that friendliness or niceness or some sentimental notions of brotherliness do not constitute Christianity. You can have all such qualities without and apart from Christianity without truth. So that whatever else it may mean, "holding the truth in love" does not mean a vague, flabby, sentimental notion of niceness fellowship, and brotherhood.

~ Martyn Lloyd-Jones [Christian Unity: An Exposition of Ephesians 4:1-16]
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The sin of suppressing truth chestnutmare Sat May 07, 2022 12:52 PM For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse (Rom.1:18-20)

I do not have to prove to you that God exists, because I think you already know it. Your problem is not that you do not know that God exists; your problem is that you despise the God whom you know exists. Your problem is not intellectual; it is moral— you hate God.

Every moment since the dawn of creation God has been manifesting Himself through the things that are made (v. 20). God did not give us a world and just say, “Sit down and begin to think about where that world came from and reason from the cosmos back to God.” We are to do that, but it is more than that. Every second, God is manifesting Himself through the things that are made so that His testimony to His nature is plainly evident.I am frequently asked, “What happens to the poor, innocent native in Africa who has never heard of Jesus?” That poor, innocent native in Africa goes straight to heaven when he dies. He has no need for a Savior. Jesus did not come in the world to save innocent people. There are no innocent natives in Africa or in Australia, South America, Europe, Asia, or anywhere else. People think that those who have not heard of Jesus are surely innocent, but Jesus came into a world already under the indictment of God the Father because it has rejected Him. We must disavow ourselves of the idea that there are innocent people anywhere. People also ask, “Will God send people to hell for rejecting Jesus, of whom they have never heard?” God is not going to punish someone for rejecting somebody he has never heard of, but their destination is hell for the rejection of the One they have heard of. Every human being knows of God and clearly perceives God but rejects that knowledge. For that, every person is exposed to the wrath of God. The only possible way someone can be rescued from that wrath is through the Savior.

Ungodliness and unrighteousness are vast generic terms that cover a multitude of sins, but Paul is not talking about a multitude of sins here. He has in view one particular sin. It is a universal sin, one committed by every human being. It is the sin that most clearly expresses our Adamic nature, our corruption and fallenness in the flesh. Paul does not leave us to guess at the nature of this sin; God is provoked to an orgy of anger against the sin of those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness (v. 18). The single sin that provokes God’s wrath against the whole human race is the sin of suppressing truth. The root of the Greek word translated “suppress” is katacain, which can also be translated as “to hinder,” “to stifle,” “to incarcerate,” “to put in detention,” “to obscure,” or “to repress.” We might think of a gigantic spring or coil that would require all the strength in our body to push down or compress. While we are pushing it down, it is resisting our strength and seeking to spring back up and recoil into its original position. By nature we take the truth of God and press it down. We force it into our subconscious, as it were, to get it out of our mind; yet, despite all the strength we use to suppress it, we simply cannot eradicate it. We cannot get rid of it because it is always and everywhere pushing back up. The specific sin here is the suppression of truth. What truth is being suppressed? Paul tells us: because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them (v. 19). The truth that every human being suppresses is the truth of God, what God reveals of Himself in nature to the whole human race. This is not the truth of God that we learn through the Bible. We suppress that too, but here Paul is writing of a truth that is known about God apart from the Bible, a knowledge of God that God makes manifest. The Greek word is phoneros, which means “to show plainly.” We use the term phenomenon, which is derived from that Greek word. The Latin text translates it as manifestum. The knowledge God gives of Himself is not obscure. It is not buried with hidden clues that only an intellectual, elite group of people are able to discover after a painful and tedious search of sifting through the evidence. The truth God gives of Himself is manifest. It is clear— so plain that everybody gets it.

The agnostic portrays himself as a less militant form of atheist. The atheist boldly declares that there is no god, but the agnostic says, “I don’t know if there is a God. I’m agnosis; I am without sufficient knowledge to make a firm judgment on this matter.” (Incidentally, the Latin term for agnosis is ignoramus.) Agnostics think they are not as militant as atheists, but they do not realize that their agnosticism exposes them to greater risk for the wrath of God than if they were militant atheists. Not only do they refuse to acknowledge the God who reveals Himself plainly, but they blame God for their situation, saying He has not given them sufficient evidence.

~ R.C. Sproul [Romans - An Expositional Commentary]
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How can God's will be known? chestnutmare Fri May 06, 2022 10:02 PM How can God's will be known? Can we tell His requirements with certainty and exactness? Yes, said the Puritans, there is a way to harness our conscience to Holy Scriptures, in which the mind of God is revealed to us...But, it might be said, such a formula is unrealistic and empty. The Bible is a very old book, the product of a now-vanished culture. How can it throw light on the problems of life today? It can do so because the God who wrote it remains the same, and His thoughts about human life do not change. If we can learn to see what principles He was inculcating and applying to His recorded dealings with Israel and the early church and reapply them to our own situations, it will constitute the guidance we need. And it is to help us to do this the Holy Spirit has been given. Certainly, seeing the relevant principles and applying them correctly in each case in practice is an arduous task; ignorance of Scripture and misjudgment of situations constantly lead us astray, and to be humble enough to receive the Spirit's help is not easy either. But it remains true nonetheless that in principle Scripture provides clear and exact guidance for every detail and department of life, and if we come to Scripture teachable and expectantly God Himself will seal our minds and hearts a clear as to how we are to how we have to behave in each situation that faces us....Baxter said God has appointed means to cure blindness and error. Come into the light, with due self-suspicion, and impartiality and diligently use all God's means and avoid causes of deceit and error, and the light of truth will show you the truth.

~ J I Packer [A Quest For Godliness]
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