My representation of God pointing was meant to be satirical, I apologize for using it, it is one of the things I'm tired of hearing from my own Arminian friends. I apparantly have a misconstrued view of the topic of DP. If the argument is whether or not God decreed a person's spiritual state, then I am in full agreement with you. In my experience in talking to DP proponents, they take it to the level that no one is left to themselves in their own sinful state, but that they are made that way by God. I answer that, God didn't make us sinful, but rather we did through Adam's federal headship. I am not assuming a pre-existant human soul, I'm not sure where you read that in what I have said. Also I don't think at all that what I have expressed is fate, but a personal God who changes some hearts, according to the mystery of His will, and doesn't change others, also according to the mystery of His will. If that is what you are saying, then I agree, and I am sorry for any misunderstanding that may have arisen in my writing. Humbly His,<br>troy

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