And this is one of the many reasons why most who say they are Calvinists actually mean they are 4 point Calvinists. [/quote]

Actually a true Calvinist( you really cant be any less than a 5 point Calvinist and really be a Calvinist)knows that the 5 points of Calvinism go together as one.

Total Depravity = Man is totally depraved and God must pull him from his pit and he has nothing to do with it.

Unconditional Election = God chose ( before the foundation of the world) a people to be his own they are called the elect .

Limited Atonement = God did not die for everyone but only died for the elect . Many say that is cruel but we can now go back to total depravity . We all deserved Hell but the Lord graciously has pulled us from are pit ( we who are saved). And the Bible tells us " he will have mercy on who is has mercy on whom he has mercy...."

Irresisteble Grace = If the Lord has predestined you for Heaven you cannot deny his effectual call to you.

Perserverance of the Saints = If you are truely saved you cannot lose your salvation.

They all go together. Also I encourage you who dont agree with Calvinism to read the book A Journey in Grace.