Hi Pilgrim,<br><br>Just as a clarification, I don't believe those holding to the extremist position on this board would accept the idea that infant baptism places one into the invisible church either. I believe their point would be that the invisible church is the church from God's point of view, which none of us is privy to, and hence the only church that we know and with which we interact in history is the visible church, to which covenant children are admitted and are to be treated as real members of that church along with the others. This does not mean that every member is treated in precisely the same way, but they all have the common denomniator of being reckoned and treated as the people of God, understanding that we cannot know for sure about anyone, not only with children, whether the blessings signified in outward identity are possessed internally. I think I'm one of the extremists, so I felt free to speak on their behalf. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin[/img]<br><br>Sincerely in Christ,<br><br>~Jason