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Tom
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Pilgrim,
Well said.
ISTM geomic1 had claimed you said there was "a chance" of Jesus sinning, when you had not, and his use of the term introduced an equivocation between:
1) chance = Jesus's human nature had the ability to choose to sin when tempted and 2) chance = the eternal decree was subject to the possibility of being thwarted by such a choice
By conflating the 2 senses one arrives at: since the eternal decree is fixed, Jesus didn't have a chance of sinning, ergo he could not sin. But this denies the essential truth that Jesus was able to sin. As you point out, both truths must be held, and to do so is biblical and not, as others imply, illogical.
Moving on, I notice the discussion has been entirely about Jesus before His death. What about now? Is His nature now still capable of sinning?
Elements which might be taken into account:
Does the glorified Christ have a human nature?
If so, is that nature essentiallly the same as prior to His death?
If not, what replaced it?
Is the issue of peccability a non-issue in heaven, since there is no externally-motivated temptation there, and therefore no possibility of transgression?
What about ourselves, after glorification: will we be able to sin or not?
If so, will there be sin in heaven?
If not, what will have changed?
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