you say
Can sin exist without a sinner? Since you believe God created sin prior to man even sinning then you must also believe in the pre-existence of life--prior to Adam

Yes I do believe in sin before adam sinned, else where did the serpent come from ?

[qoute]unless God himself is "the sinner of the entire universe.[/quote]

You said that I did not !

je says
According to Plato's doctrine of anamnesis, our souls preexist our earthly birth; our true home is our place of origin among the gods. Philo, Gnostisim, and Hinduism all teach the pre-existence of souls.

I don`t know what plato wrote, I don`t read that stuff !

je says
Is this what you believe?

No I don`t believe that, you are inferring that and you are being very dishonest <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/chatter.gif" alt="" />

and again God created everything , thats not what I say, but what scripture says:

Is 46: 10

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

rev 4: 11

"You are worthy, O Lord our God,
to receive glory and honor and power.
For you created everything,
and it is for your pleasure that they exist and were created

I really like this translation :
You are worthy, our Lord and God!
You are worthy to receive glory and honor and power.
You are worthy because you created all things.
They were created and they exist.
That is the way you planned it."

Our Lord and God, [h]

You are worthy to receive

glory and honor and power,

because You have created all things,

and because of Your will

they exist and were created

"Our Lord and our God, it is right for You to have the shining-greatness and the honor and the power. You made all things. They were made and have life because You wanted it that way."

Worthy are You, our Lord and God, to receive the glory and the honor and dominion, for You created all things; by Your will they were [brought into being] and were created.(A)

The word of God speaks on its own , you either belive it or you don`t.