I think I should add that Wesley and those Catholics displayed the spirit and character of true Christians as well, and so endeared themselves to those who disagreed with them theologically on some points. And this is a test we need to consider today especially. I remember going to a newly formed Reformed church in my town some years ago. A candidate for pastor, I'm sure a 5 point Calvinist, preached a sermon on faith. I was speaking with him casually after service and he asked me what I thought of his sermon. I told him something to the effect that it was good, but I felt a bit too general as faith had always been a thing I had been troubled about, wanting to be sure I had the true one as opposed to its many counterfeits. There was nothing unkind or censorious in my remarks. The lamb suddenly turned lion before my eyes (we were pretty much alone where we stood) and he used a modern swear word to describe the works I was obviously depending on. We parted company for a moment, but he came round to me two times afterward and made insults to my person that left me dumbfounded. I had really high hopes of joining this church as doctrinally it was as close as I could find in my area. But with real sadness I decided I could not go there, unless the preacher, who was accepted for the position, made some kind of apology. I did not care that he offended me really, it was just that he was displaying his character and spirit, and that is as telling as one's theology, in my view. 'You shall know them by their fruits"

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