The Highway Forums General Discussion Theology Discussion Forum Revelation 22:19 Contradicts Calvinist Doctrine

Josh T,<br><br>You Wrote: " <br>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>This is simply the idea that scriptural evidence supports. Several scriptures in particular indicate the possibility of losing one's salvation (Romans 11:22, John 15, Revelation 22:19), while others speak of those who already have (Hebrews 6:4-6, Galatians 5), and others indicate the ability in man to reject God's calling (such as Luke 13:34). I simply try to understand what the book says, not explain it away. " <br>******<br>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br><br>John 15 does not support your idea of one can loose one’s salvation. In fact John 8:31, states that "IF" you continue[abide] in my word, then you are my disciples..." Christ’s disciples Will persevere. All true believers endure to the End. The same is the theme of Heb 3:6,14, 2 John 1:9. Rev 2:26 . Jesus bring the illustration of the vine, vinedresser and branches so that “you so that My joy may be in you, and that your (14) joy may be made full.” If this is talking about “loosing one’s salvation”, please demonstrate it to me. Rev 22, as been stated by Pilgrim and others, does not support your position. The same claim can be made for Romans 11. If you read Romans 9-11 in its context, I don't think that conclusion can be made that 'one can loose their salvation'. The whole point of Romans 9-11 to explain the sorrow and argument stated in Romans 9:1-6..that is “ For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel”. Hebrews does not support your view either. See Hebrews 3:6, 14 for description of God’s household and those of share in Christ. See Wayne Gruden for an excellent EXEGESIS of the Hebrew warning passages. “Perseverance is the mark true faith, of real disciples,” says DA Carson. In addition, Warnings, in scripture I believe, is another means that God uses to preserve his people. <br><br>A true believer is one of Christ’s Sheep. A sheep has a Shepard as you know. In this Case, it is Jesus Christ. For one to say that one of Christ’s Sheep can become a Goat, is in essence, teaching that Christ can fail at being the “Chief” Shepherd. Jesus Christ is the Perfect Savior, the perfect Shepard. He has been entrusted to care for the sheep. The whole of John 10 speaks of Jesus Care for His Sheep, how He lays His life down for the Sheep. Why? “This is the Father’s WILL which hath sent Me, that of all which He hath Given me I should LOSE NOTHING”.(John 6:39) . Jesus says that it is the father’s will. Can Christ Fail at the Job He was given to Do? John 8:29 state “The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him." That’s why you see the concern and love of Jesus in his Prayer for his people in John 17. Jesus is a perfect savior; HE cannot fail to save His sheep. That’s why John 10 states” 27MY sheep LISTEN to my voice; I know them, and they FOLLOW me. 28I give them ETERNAL life, and they shall NEVER perish; NO one can snatch them out of my hand. Jesus' Sheep Will never perish. This is stated with the double negative in the Greek to emphasize never ‘ever’, denying the possibility. Why is this? <br>“My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[4] ; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30” Both Jesus and Father are preserving the sheep. He prays for his people( Romans ( 8:34) , John 17. Do sheep wander? Yes. See Peter. However, note that Jesus prayer for him (Luk 22:32). That’s why peter was kept and did not fall away permanently.<br><br>Contrast true disciples( sheep) with that of those apostates in 1 John 2: 19. For John goes on to say in 1 John 3:9-10.. 9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, BECAUSE God's SEED REMAINS in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. This too has been pointed by SWW in earlier response.<br><br><br>“A true Christian cannot alienate his inheritance in Heaven, for the deeds concerning this inheritance are written and sealed, and part possession is given the believer even in this life (Jer 32:40). "I will put My fear in their hearts [present gracious possession] that they SHALL NOT DEPART FROM Me" [perseverance to glorification]. “ said Christopher Ness.<br><br>I would highly recommend you DA Carson’s commentary on the book of John. It would explain some of your misunderstanding on the flow and context of the book of John. <br>