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Alberta sentence unvaccinated transplant patients to death.


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So much for that Canadian Socialist "Universal Healthcare" where the government guarantees everyone good healthcare regardless of circumstances, eh? igiveup


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Very true, unfortunately. My understanding also, is that this is in direct violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. However, in the last few years that is not unusual.

I have been hearing for quite some time now, many doctors afraid to operate on unvaccinated people.

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There are more people who desperately need organs than there are organ donors. There are even less actual organs than there are donors, because not every donor dies in a manner that allows organs to be harvested, and not every organ is viable after harvest.
People die every day waiting for a transplant. Organs go to those that have the greatest need or the best chance of survival. Organs are not going to be WASTED on someone who is not willing to do everything in their power to reduce their risk of dying after transplant, and that includes refusing to reduce their chances of dying from a vaccine preventable infectious disease, not when there are others who desperately need those organs.

Requiring vaccines for transplants is nothing new, at least not in the US.

I would say this person sentenced herself to death.

https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releas...y-protected-by-covid-19-vaccination.aspx

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Wow!
I would not have expected to read people who have been deceived like you, on the Highway.
You said this woman sentenced herself to death.
I find that totally offensive coming from another believer.
Dr. Malone and many doctors risk losing their credentials for speaking up against government lies. Trudeau, Biden, Fauci, and the list goes on at the people that paint anyone who is against the vaccine as having unacceptable views.
You might not be aware of this, but the World Health Organization and the World Economic Forum are in cahoots and even one of the leaders of Pfizer, admitted under oath, that they did not know if the vaccine would work because they had to rush it.
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Quite the opposite. BILLIONS OF PEOPLE (Let me say that word again, BILLIONS) have taken them. If they were not safe and effective we would know it by now.
The problem here is not that we do not know they are not safe. Rather, when problems occur it is either ignored; or something else is attributed to it.
The fact is, it is well known that a regular occurrence in those who are vaccinated against Covid, have “micro-clots”. I was talking to a relative about this who is retired from the medical field. He told me that it is true, but it is not true that these micro-clots cause health problems.
Studies however, say that this is not the case at all. I can’t remember exactly what this is called. However, apparently it has been proved that these vaccines, do not just go where they are supposed to, rather sometimes it leaks into places it is not supposed to and causes serious problems.
You will never hear about these kind of things reported in the liberal media, but it is not hard to find.
I also know of quite a few people, who within weeks of getting vaccinated, people fall to either death, or serious illness. Yet, the official physician report says it has nothing to do with the Covid vaccine.
Many doctors however, with impressive credentials have come forward to warn people about these things; yet when they do. They are called quacks, etc...
That is only part of the issue. Many things such as not being able to travel without a Covid-19 vaccine passport have been lifted; that is not universal. For example, I am not allowed to go into the USA or some other countries, because I am not vaccinated. I guess you are thinking “that is your own fault and you should not be able to travel”

I lost a friend a few months ago, when I was sitting in a coffee shop. He came in and sat with me and proceeded to tell me how stupid these people are that are flying Canadian flags on their pick-up trucks. They are doing this of course, protesting vaccine mandates that are ruining the country. Firing doctors, nurses, health care professionals, and truckers; simply because they refuse to get vaccinated. Also, many companies have decided to require a Covid-vaccine, in order to work for them. In other words, many were let go.
Normally, I just bite my tongue when people say things like this. However, that day I opened up and told him I was not vaccinated either. He hesitated for a moment and looked at me like I had a third eye.
I then told him, that my problem is not that so much people choosing to be vaccinated. It is forcing people to make a choice between choosing to obey these mandates, or suffer the consequences. This is completely against the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. (As an aside, I had one Christian say I am selfish for appealing to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and we obey the government because we love our neighbor)
I then said how Trudeau and Dr. Bonnie Henry in B.C. Canada, are deliberately going against the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
He said, basically they should lose their job and that Trudeau and Dr. Bonnie Henry are doing a great job. Then he said that although it is too late now had he known that I was not vaccinated, he would not have sat with me. He made it quite clear, that he believes, like Bonnie Henry says, that the unvaccinated are dangerous to everybody else.
He then told me that he as a Christian to be honest is having a hard time forgiving people.

This of course is completely a lie and many who used to believe that lie; no longer do.
I will also mention Churches either complying with government Church mandates; or suffering the consequences.
In Alberta alone, I know about 4 pastors who had jail time because they believed (rightly I might add) that the Government had no business telling what the Church can either preach, or do.
Unfortunately, I have a relative that used to attend the Church of one of these pastors who spent over a month in jail. This person actually said that Church is a borderline cult.
I have actually watched a few videos of this pastor’s (Pastor James Coates) sermons and he was completely biblical. My own pastor said that if we are interested in hearing a good sermon on Romans 13, they should watch him.
I also watched an excellent series on Romans 13 by Dr. Samuel Waldron and it in keeping with what Pastor James Coates said.
However, this person I know said that they disagree and her own pastor is against that interpretation of Romans 13.
In the USA, I am not sure if pastors were jailed. However, I do know that many went to court over the issue. John MacArthur and Grace Community Church for example was taken to courts many times by Governor Newsom over their refusal to comply with government orders.
Something, I noticed and was talking to a good friend about. Is the fact that the preacher/theologians that we have grown to trust, over the years. Are the one’s that took a stand against the government lockdowns and organizations such as ‘The Gospel Coalition’, said the government was and is in their right to do what they are doing.
In fact, one prominent theologian in The Gospel Coalition, said John MacArthur by his stand, may have ruined over 50 years of ministry.
Now do not get me wrong, I do not always agree with John MacArthur; however he recognized the truth in this particular case.

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There are more people who desperately need organs than there are organ donors. There are even less actual organs than there are donors, because not every donor dies in a manner that allows organs to be harvested, and not every organ is viable after harvest.
People die every day waiting for a transplant. Organs go to those that have the greatest need or the best chance of survival. Organs are not going to be WASTED on someone who is not willing to do everything in their power to reduce their risk of dying after transplant, and that includes refusing to reduce their chances of dying from a vaccine preventable infectious disease, not when there are others who desperately need those organs.

Requiring vaccines for transplants is nothing new, at least not in the US.

I would say this person sentenced herself to death.

https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releas...y-protected-by-covid-19-vaccination.aspx

I don’t necessarily blame you for taking things at face value in the very beginning. But your current attitude is not only alarming, it’s unChristian. This may be a blind spot for you. What about our God-given natural immunity?

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The vaccine increases all-cause mortality. This is now confirmed beyond reasonable doubt.

Since those who do so either know or reasonably should know this, requiring it under any circumstances constitutes either attempted or actual murder.

Advocating for it is unlawful as well. The charge would be mitigated by the apparent fact that you have not bothered to do your research, and, therefore, are acting out of willful negligence rather than malice.


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Tom,

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmo...b0UIEDLYjyDQI8av4iKT6IkOMnqGlrLZUGsgQKas

The people I see outraged about refusing organs to unvaccinated patients don't actually care about the patients or the transplant community. They are politicizing this story and stories like this for their own benefit. I always tell people that if they are passionate about advocating for transplant patients, we need people to sign up to be a donor, to promote organ donation and to decrease the stigma of transplant.

Anthony C,
Your God-given natural immunity is extremely suppressed by the anti-rejection drugs that a transplant recipient has to take for the rest of his life.

jta,
You are correct I have not done any research and neither have you. Unlike you, I have relied on people who actually do research for a living, not just scanning the internet looking for talking points that fit in with one's confirmation bias. Try googling these names:
Peter Hotez, MD, PhD
Paul Offit, MD
Michael T. Osterholm, PhD, MPH-CIDRAP
Vincent Racaniello, PhD
These men have been around for years and working in the fields of vaccines, immunology, and epidemiology. They are not grifters who have come out of the woodwork during the pandemic.

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The people I see outraged about refusing organs to unvaccinated patients don't actually care about the patients or the transplant community. They are politicizing this story and stories like this for their own benefit. I always tell people that if they are passionate about advocating for transplant patients, we need people to sign up to be a donor, to promote organ donation and to decrease the stigma of transplant.

That is exactly what Trudeau wants us to believe. He has said that the beliefs of the unvaccinated are mostly extremists and went on to say they are mostly racists and misogynists.
https://tnc.news/2022/01/04/clip-re...ccinated-extremists-misogynists-racists/

He also questioned whether or not we should be putting up with the unvaccinated. In other words, he is thinking that he might need to go to more desperate measures.

Getting vaccinated does not improve ones chances of an organ transplant working!

Are you aware that under oath, one of the top people with Pfizer admitted that they released the vaccines before they knew they would work; because they needed to rush them?

This is exactly in keeping with doctors and scientists, were saying who disagreed with the vaccines being released. Yet, when they said these things, they were largely ignored, or considered quacks.

This is the same government that advocates for medical suicide for the homeless, depressed, and others. Which is now legal in Canada; which by the way is right in keeping with the WEF who believes the world is over populated and we need to reduce the population and deal with Climate change. I will not even get into Event 201, that happened shortly before the pandemic.

I do not trust anything he advocates anymore. I have however lost a so called "Christian friend" over my decision not to get vaccinated. He even believes that Trudeau and Dr. Bonnie Henry are doing a great job. Which unfortunately, I am finding a lot of Canadians agreeing with.

I am aware that, the court ruled that refusing an unvaccinated person to get an organ transplant. However, I am not the slightest bit surprised at the ruling. In Canada, for example Bill C-4 says that:
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The view that says that there are only two genders, male and female, is a harmful myth.

I am tempted to address what you said to jta, but seeing it was not addressed to me; I will leave it to jta.

Tom

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Originally Posted by ATulipNotADaisy
Tom,

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmo...b0UIEDLYjyDQI8av4iKT6IkOMnqGlrLZUGsgQKas

The people I see outraged about refusing organs to unvaccinated patients don't actually care about the patients or the transplant community. They are politicizing this story and stories like this for their own benefit. I always tell people that if they are passionate about advocating for transplant patients, we need people to sign up to be a donor, to promote organ donation and to decrease the stigma of transplant.

Anthony C,
Your God-given natural immunity is extremely suppressed by the anti-rejection drugs that a transplant recipient has to take for the rest of his life.

jta,
You are correct I have not done any research and neither have you. Unlike you, I have relied on people who actually do research for a living, not just scanning the internet looking for talking points that fit in with one's confirmation bias. Try googling these names:
Peter Hotez, MD, PhD
Paul Offit, MD
Michael T. Osterholm, PhD, MPH-CIDRAP
Vincent Racaniello, PhD
These men have been around for years and working in the fields of vaccines, immunology, and epidemiology. They are not grifters who have come out of the woodwork during the pandemic.

That’s fair. This issue is not worth turning on each over. I do apologize for critical speech toward you.

If you are interested, here’s a lawyer who has been on the frontline of many legal battles. But I respect where you are coming from. I am very cynical so I come from a place of suspicion - that is not always a good thing. I drive my wife crazy, lol!
https://substack.com/profile/32334676-aaron-siri

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I want to make myself very clear here. I am not against my brothers and sisters in Christ; who have chosen to get the Covid vaccine. What I am against, is it being made mandatory for people if they want to travel, work, and even do other things in everyday life.
I am presently not allowed to enter the U.S.A. because I am unvaccinated. .
Several people I know, have made some rather offensive comments towards me and those who have not been vaccinated, and believe it is my own fault for my choice on not obeying the government health guide-lines.
I chose to bite my tongue; rather than cause division between us, mainly because they are close relatives and friends. But make no mistake, those comments were hurtful; especially coming from them.

I am well aware that this is an issue that can be divisive and I do not want that. However, if Christians want to divide against those who because they after researching the matter; have decided they do not want to be vaccinated. That is where I draw the line!

In B.C. Canada, head doctor Bonnie Henry actually said that there will be no medical exemptions, or religious exemptions for not getting the Covid-19 vaccine. Recently, I heard however they have become a little more lenient on that; but reserve the right to change that without notice.

I know someone personally, that is allergic to several ingredients in the vaccine. so if she took it, it would probably kill her.

In Canada, there are Christians that believe PM Trudeau and health officials are doing the right thing. They treat anybody who has not been vaccinated as potentially dangerous to the rest of the population.

I can not respect someone (Christian or otherwise) who would say that a life saving operation should not be given for someone, that refuses to be vaccinated against Covid.

If someone does not like that; so be it.

Tom

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